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Tackling the rescue of a butchered fastback
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By the way, I went out to the trailer to try to get a couple of pictures of what’s going on underneath. Here’s a shot of the pieced together crossmember. I haven’t measured anything, but I’m sure he never considered bump steer. Another thing, the stabilizer rod that goes from the lower A-frame to the front of the frame had to be deleted because of his crossmember. His solution? Weld an ear back behind the engine and run the rod from the A-frame BACKWARDS. In over 40 years in the business, I have never seen anything like this.

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#12
runninpony 
I think her car should be fully restored to better than new! What a mess!

71-73 Mustangs never die, they just go faster!
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#13
First, welcome to the best Mustang forum out there from SW Ontario Canada.
What the F was he smoking!! I'm way from being an expert on anything, but this! This is totally unbelievable. If you hadn't posted pictures, no-one here would believe you. Perhaps you should present this clown with the "Dumb-ass of the Year" award.
All the best with it,
Geoff.
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(10-12-2018, 06:43 PM)Stanglover Wrote: First, welcome to the best Mustang forum out there from SW Ontario Canada.
What the F was he smoking!! I'm way from being an expert on anything, but this! This is totally unbelievable. If you hadn't posted pictures, no-one here would believe you. Perhaps you should present this clown with the "Dumb-ass of the Year" award.
All the best with it,
Geoff.

i hear you. In the 15 minutes of contact I had with the guy I got the vibe that he knew he really screwed up. But, he still took a last check form the owner, so who knows. My first loyalty is to the car, and the owner. I think that once they get the story at the least they need to have a conversation with the guy. But I don’t get into that unless asked for legal reasons. I just hope she has the means to let me put the car right.
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#15
WOW, since you do work on cars you know that if the floors, wheel houses and trunk have been replaced and they did not keep the car squared up it is for sure scrap.
Yes you can save anything but put $80,000 in a $5,000 car, NO.
If the chassis / frame is square and doors and trunk align sounds like you need a donor to get the entire front end back.
I myself would never restore a 302 car in a 71 - 73 model. I have 7 of these so I know what the sell for and what it cost to do stuff.
I know she has an attachment to the car but at what cost? The car in the pic. is a one owner car. He ordered the car, dated in the car, got married in the car and raised his family in the car. It was driven in his funeral procession when he passed away. When I bought the car his wife brought out a stack of papers that included his hand written notes of what he wanted on the car when ordered, the original window sticker and all the work ever done.
The model is pretty rare was just one of 82 351 C with three speed transmission. There was actually a centerfold article done in MM last year on this same model.
BTW the insurance value was $16,500 and they gave her the title and is not salvage.
When I had it loaded on dolly and was about to leave she asked if she could have the fender emblems to keep to remember the car and her husband. I took them off for her. She also said if I would fix it she would buy it back.
I took the car apart and sold parts worth more as parts than to fix and sell as a whole. Rare does not make a car valuable. I have a 72 Q code ram air T-5 Mach 1 that was not worth fixing with 35,000 miles on it.
This car was used to keep several others on the road.
I would say sit down and talk with her and estimate the costs and then maybe come up with some way to take part of the car and make a tribute to her husband using some of the parts.

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(10-12-2018, 09:07 PM)MissionGarage Wrote:
(10-12-2018, 06:43 PM)Stanglover Wrote: First, welcome to the best Mustang forum out there from SW Ontario Canada.
What the F was he smoking!! I'm way from being an expert on anything, but this! This is totally unbelievable. If you hadn't posted pictures, no-one here would believe you. Perhaps you should present this clown with the "Dumb-ass of the Year" award.
All the best with it,
Geoff.

i hear you. In the 15 minutes of contact I had with the guy I got the vibe that he knew he really screwed up. But, he still took a last check form the owner, so who knows. My first loyalty is to the car, and the owner. I think that once they get the story at the least they need to have a conversation with the guy. But I don’t get into that unless asked for legal reasons. I just hope she has the means to let me put the car right.

 The more I think about this, the more questions come to mind.
 Is this guy a licenced body man? Is he a licenced mechanic? If not, then surely what he has done would never  pass a safety inspection. I have no knowledge of US laws, but I'm pretty sure he has broken a few to say the least. If he is licenced, then the powers-that-be in that State should be made aware of the "work" this guy does. He's putting lives in danger, let alone property.
He clearly has taken advantage of the Lady while committing this abomination. If it were me, I'd be politely asking for my money back. Then if he refuses, he'd be getting a summons to small claims court and see how he likes that!
I personally have seen very cleverly done engine and front end conversions, using newer Mustang parts. A friend has a 67 fastback he totally Modded himself using a 4.6 engine and it's supercharged as well. The front end is basically Mustang II. OK this is a 67 not a 71, huge difference, but my point is mods can be done to anything as long as the person doing it knows what he is doing, period.
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#17
David and Stanglover- I agree with everything you said.

In my opinion she does have recourse against the guy. But that aspect is none of my concern. My focus at this point is determining the best way forward for the car.

As for the car- he did a decent job with the metal work. The doors, trunk, and hood all shut well, and have good gaps, and panel alignment is very good. I would give the paint an 8 out of 10 for a restored driver car. It looks pretty good until you look close, then you see a few spots of dust here and there. Unfortunately, that is where the acceptability ends.

I still have not spoken with the owner. Thus far I have only dealt with her brother, who is obviously not a car guy, or he might have saved her from some of this. I would guess she has probably spent 20 grand or more to this point. After I meet her, I will know more about whether she is willing to spend at least that much more to put the car right.

Next week we will get it on the lift and do a full assessment, and develop a suggested game plan. Next thing after that will be an in person meeting with her and the brother, in the shop with the car. Whatever happens, I will keep you all posted. Thank you for your responses!
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Thought I would add some more pictures taken last night. Not the greatest, but you can see the type of mess we’re working with.

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Sometimes words just fail, this is one of them. Hard to come up with appropriate derogatory statements or expletives that match the pictures.



“If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough.”
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(10-17-2018, 09:24 AM)Don C Wrote: Sometimes words just fail, this is one of them. Hard to come up with appropriate derogatory statements or expletives that match the pictures.

 I can think of several choice words for this clown, but then I'd get kicked off the site!! Best let the pictures speak for them selves.
 Can't remember when it was, but there is a "kit" available for the converting 71-73's to rack & pinion and was featured in MM. It does require cutting half the cross member out though as I recall. If this guy had at least done that, it would be better.
I have to wonder if this car is even worth fixing after seeing those pics. The guy can't even lay a good weld down by the looks of it.

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