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Swaping my 351 cleveland for 408w stroker
#1
Hi all
I can get really good deal on windsor based 408 stroker. 
I am just wandering what is involved and is everything going to fit.
I have c6 attached to my cleveland.
I believe c6 is compatible with 351w  

Does anyone know what headers (long tube) can I use for this swap? What other problems I might run into.
I have power steering in my 72 mach 1

Cheers
Alex
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#2
Since the Windsor was only in Mexican Mustangs you will probably not have many parts to choose from. Headers probably do not exist.
Why would you go to windsor from cleveland? I know more people run them but Cleveland is much better engine I think. Just an opinion I have 7 of them.


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(11-11-2018, 06:12 PM)Carolina_Mountain_Mustangs Wrote: Since the Windsor was only in Mexican Mustangs you will probably not have many parts to choose from. Headers probably do not exist.
Why would you go to windsor from cleveland? I know more people run them but Cleveland is much better engine I think. Just an opinion I have 7 of them.

Just because I can get my hands on a very good 408w short block. Parts are cheeper for windsor so I am thinking it would be cool to build it. 

I found another guy on youtube with heddman headers just dont know what model they are.

Do you thing windsor will just drop in without any issues? Mounting brackets should be the same
Alex
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#4
You may have a hard time finding headers. See this thread, there are also some older ones
https://www.7173mustangs.com/thread-hook...ders-issue?

Other than that a 351W will fit, it's slightly taller and wider than a Cleveland.

Because you're getting a short block, have you thought about a Clevor?

Compression ratios are always a concern with stroked engines, the compression ratio can get too high if the correct combination of pistons and heads is not used.



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#5
(11-11-2018, 06:41 PM)Don C Wrote: You may have a hard time finding headers. See this thread, there are also some older ones
https://www.7173mustangs.com/thread-hook...ders-issue?

Other than that a 351W will fit, it's slightly taller and wider than a Cleveland.

Because you're getting a short block, have you thought about a Clevor?

Compression ratios are always a concern with stroked engines, the compression ratio can get too high if the correct combination of pistons and heads is not used.

Thanks Don. I did think about building clevor
So the good thing is that pistons in 408 are 25cc dished pistons . According to my math it would give me close to 10 if I use 58 cc heads
I was under Impression that everything above 9.6 cr with iron heads is looking for trouble.
Would I need custom intake for clevor? What would be the best head to make clevor. Open or closed chambers
Thanks for help
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#6
I have no idea what my compression is. PO did the work and he did not tell me what parts. All I can see is not dish in pistons and .050" overbore and cam. I do not have spark knock issues or heating issues I use 90 octane ethanol free fuel. It is 2 - V heads for sure.
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#7
You can buy intakes for Clevors,
https://www.speedwaymotors.com/Edelbrock...23646.html

you can also get adapter plates
http://www.pricemotorsport.com/html/body...pters.html

You also have to have the cooling system adapter and thermostat housing
http://www.pricemotorsport.com/html/body...using.html

Your dynamic compression ratio is what is important, and that is controlled by the camshaft. You can calculate your static and dynamic compression ratios here
https://www.7173mustangs.com/thread-engi...lculations

With 25cc dishes and a moderate cam you shouldn't have any problem. There are quite a few how-to's online on building Clevors. Here is one
http://www.mustangandfords.com/how-to/en...or-engine/



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#8
I’m doing the same as my 408w mated to a tremec was going in my 95gt until my dad decided to come off his 73. Over the next few months I’ll be test fitting it all together first off using the foxbody swap headers since they’re new and I have them. From there I don’t know. There’s several offered but none 71-73 specific.

My short block was originally setup using closed chamber Cleveland heads in our drag car, but then your still stuck on headers.
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#9
These hooker long tubes are SUPPOSED to fit a 351w in a 71-73 mustang. Power steering will be an issue. You will just have to see how big of one it is. Maybe if you convert to a Saginaw style pump it won't be a problem.
C6 will bolt up to any Windsor block.
Other potential issues will be, will it hit the frame? Will it clear the transmission? Most issues can be corrected if you don't mind a little cut and weld.

https://www.cjponyparts.com/hooker-long-...20Products
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#10
A forum member from New Zealand found that his Hookers, from CJ, wouldn't work for him, see the link in post #4, above.



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