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Summit ET bracket series - i made it out today
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well here is my report on todays experience. some of the normal followers, since my last TNT where i ran my 12.12 ET time which is perfect for a sportman racer and there is sand bagging here. i installed the correct 360 safety loop for the driveshaft, installed a 1 wire alternator, and redid the entire fuel system to be NHRA legal.

well i did notice in the garage that my fuel pressure was jumping up and around alot ( this is also the same time with my jets falling out problem) so i bought a better fuel pressure gauge and started fiddling with the regulator and the floats on the carb.

with the engine not running and pump running the pump will put out about 7psi regulated. and when i started the motor it'll put out more for some reason. i thought this was ok. well this morning, without the motor running id get 7.5psi and when the motor running it starts to drop. i went out there for my first qualifying round and i pulled hard in front of a fellow 460 guy in a 67 cougar for the first 1/1/6 mile and pulled a nice 1.6xx 60 foot but then i got a huge stumple until i get off the pedal and pulled down a lousy 8.00 1/8 (wet track so only 1/8 today). i got back and found i had 0 psi at the carb, sometimes if i pinched the line i could get 1 psi out of it. and if dick around with the lines all over i could get some pressure. there was even a time when i got the pressure to go up to 12psi. a fellow sportsman racer let me borrow a new regulator but wasn't a return style but it did something to see if my regulator was the problem. it didn't fix a thing and i still had 0 psi. i then started looking at my filters. i looked at my 90 degree summit filter and i saw the screen was super dirty and it was hard to blow thru with the screeen installed. i quickly just removed the screen and all of a sudden i got pressure again. i zip tie off my non return line regular that is borrowed and i go out for another qualifying round. this time i go against a 9 second 1/8 car and somehow win but i had the same problem. i pulled down a 1.701 60ft then quickly stumple down until i get off the pedal. and a super lousy 9.0 1/8. at this time i'm super frustrated and i wanted to start breaking shit.

an old man came who runs a open car and he says he runs a cleveland motor with twin dommy's on them. he recommended that i have my friend with me stick his finger over the hole of the sump tank while i cleaned out the filter before the pump. of course that thing was SUPER plugged. and the funny thing is, the motor has maybe a MAX of 5 gallons pass thru it since the new fuel system and 5 gallons is stretching it. so somebody let me use some brake cleaner to clean it out. all of a sudden i am getting a constant pressure of 8 psi regardless of where i position the regulator. i go out there against the winning standing leader of sportsman and the owner of this company http://restrictorplate.com/howitworks.html. i didn't have a real dial-in time so the director told me to go put down a time i know i could do which i know i do somewhere in the 7.7-7.8 range. so i put down a 7.7 but didn't know until i got home my best 1/8 is 7.73 and alot of 7.800's. so i screwed myself over. i red lighted at .010 and lose the race even though i won. i'm surprised i even got a good run out of her today, i think i did a 7.850. and for some how there are 12.0 and 12.1 dial in times from people who can pull down a 7.50 1/8 (the guy i went against too) which tells me alot of people are sandbaggers around my area. people came up to me afterwars and started laughing because they said i almost took out brent the class leader and he told people he thought he lost the whole time.

so i get pissed off and load her up on the trailer and now i am proceedure to go to my appointment to get the roll cage installed. i told the fabricator about my ordeal and he is saying that he automatically see's my problem with a regular inline filter from the tank and the pump. he said you need to put a big filter in there and also could act like a reservior. something thats 6-8 inches long and has a body of at least 2 inches side. WHAT does everybody think about this? it seems legit to me.

right now i'm a little AngryAngryAngryAngry
and speaking of sand baggers. i am hearing some of the guys are 9 second capable guys and run in a 12 limit class. this frustrates me and i'm getting really along with 2 guys at the track that i'm finding out that sand bag as well. the first guy i raced is a fellow 460 guy with a c4 and he says he's capable of 11.51's and he uses the EZ restrictor plate to slow down for the class. and he said when he's chasing somebody down he will get a bumper infront of them and then just keep up with them and thats it. the other guy said he's capable of running a 12.4 but purposely runs a 13.0 in his dodge challenger. he too said he will dial in at 13.0 and run a 12.4ish time that reflects in a 1/8 mile and then start to slow down at the end and make people want to catch him and have them break out.

alot of sand baggers around here and nobody goes all out. i will have my 11.00 et capable motor coming soon and i too with play the chicken game with these guys. i cant wait to pull of a 1.50 60ft and then start shifting at 4500rpms at the back half of the track and hopefully not break out.
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#2
Olie,

I feel your pain but that is what "formal" racing is all about. I subscribe to the philosophy of "run what you brung and hope you brung enough." That "sandbagging" stuff is NOT my cup of tea.

Oh well, at least you are "racing."

BT

Do the RIGHT thing.
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#3
Hate bracket racing, my as well send one car at a time and just compare time slips, because you are racing the clock not the person next to youAngry
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#4
Yup...quite a few sand baggers up here too...I dont blame some of them...Cause once you go under 11's and 10's..You start runing into a whole new class and issues..And alot more money...Alot run throttle stops too...but You know i noticed alot of the times..."atleast here" Its not always the sand baggers that win...Sure if they mess up on launch they got more power to make up the time they lost...but alot of the sand baggers break out..tring to make sure they cross the line before you...But no matter how fair you make something...Allways someone tring to beat the game..hehe...I dont mind bracket racing...They had to do it...Or no one would race...cause the man with the most money would win every night...Thats a fact...If some one ran around with a nitro funny car too all these little tracks running 300 mph in the quarter mile...He would take all the money and trophies every time..lol..all out racing like the pros do...We cant on the most part....Now if you join the F.A.S.T class..Or real pro stock..Then its all out...lol

And yes you got to beat the clock game...But you also have to cross the finish line before the person next too you does...Little more than just racing the clock..but clock is whats keeping the guys with more money than god from total domination of the local small tracks with cash and not talent...I my self like both styles...all out and bracket.
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#5
Typical racers. When working at the strip I see quite a few sand baggers.

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#6
And yes you got to beat the clock game...But you also have to cross the finish line before the person next too you does...Little more than just racing the clock..but clock is whats keeping the guys with more money than god from total domination of the local small tracks with cash and not talent...I my self like both styles...all out and bracket.

We kinda disagree on this. If you are running a 7.0 class and run a 7.0 you will not loseshrug2 I agree on the money thing, I have said it before. "how fast you wanna go depends on how much you want to spend" For the fans point of veiw the ones with stutter boxes and thottle stops is not exciting. We have an Outlaw 10.5 class that is a blast to watch.
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Tnfastbk;62819 Wrote:[color=#FF0000]

We kinda disagree on this. If you are running a 7.0 class and run a 7.0 you will not loseshrug2 I agree on the money thing, I have said it before. "how fast you wanna go depends on how much you want to spend" For the fans point of veiw the ones with stutter boxes and thottle stops is not exciting. We have an Outlaw 10.5 class that is a blast to watch.
Well yes..But your also racing the person next too you..No one runs perfict on there time every run....So when you cant beat your time..You have to beat the driver next too you too win...is all im pointing out there.......if you can run perfict every race...You will allmost win every time..But i seen a factory stock auto's loose cause of this...If they dont hit the light perfict every time..they loose cause of the lack of power...Where the sand baggers come into play...And plus night time i see alot of break outs..cause of the nice cold air...No matter how good your car is set up..It will start runing faster at night..And you have to change your times..Or play with your pedal a bit and it does become a race too the finish line...lol

its all apples and oranges...I like all types..they all take a bit of talent and skill...I watch the big dogs run every year up at pacific race way...But for the poor guy just wanting to race without getting in trouble...bracket racing mite be the only real chance he has at racing for a trophy or just for the fun of it..lol..but i know the fealing...I do like all out racing...lol..Its my fav hands down.
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hyena429;62825 Wrote:
Tnfastbk;62819 Wrote:[color=#FF0000]

We kinda disagree on this. If you are running a 7.0 class and run a 7.0 you will not loseshrug2 I agree on the money thing, I have said it before. "how fast you wanna go depends on how much you want to spend" For the fans point of veiw the ones with stutter boxes and thottle stops is not exciting. We have an Outlaw 10.5 class that is a blast to watch.
Well yes..But your also racing the person next too you..No one runs perfict on there time every run....So when you cant beat your time..You have to beat the driver next too you too win...is all im pointing out there.......if you can run perfict every race...You will allmost win every time..But i seen a factory stock auto's loose cause of this...If they dont hit the light perfict every time..they loose cause of the lack of power...Where the sand baggers come into play...And plus night time i see alot of break outs..cause of the nice cold air...No matter how good your car is set up..It will start runing faster at night..And you have to change your times..Or play with your pedal a bit and it does become a race too the finish line...lol

its all apples and oranges...I like all types..they all take a bit of talent and skill...I watch the big dogs run every year up at pacific race way...But for the poor guy just wanting to race without getting in trouble...bracket racing mite be the only real chance he has at racing for a trophy or just for the fun of it..lol..but i know the fealing...I do like all out racing...lol..Its my fav hands down.

I know what you are saying,and agree, but for me I just dont care for it
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#9
Ollie, I thought I read you had a Mr Gasket Fuel Pressure gauge, get rid of that MR Gasket fuel pressure gauge, they are worthless. Summit brand doent work either.
I tried both two times each, needles were pointing anywhere they wanted most of the time, made adjustments imposibble.
Finally had great luck with an Autometer brand fuel pressure gauge

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#10
i have an all out balls to the wall 12.12 1/4 mile, i'm going to play the same games and try to dial in my car to a 12.6-13.0. i'm going to go balls to the wall in the first 3 gears and then just coast it or 1/2 throttle it to the finish line in 4th gear.

therefore, i will play the same games and just keep a bumper on people at the end.
jorgem2;62907 Wrote:Ollie, I thought I read you had a Mr Gasket Fuel Pressure gauge, get rid of that MR Gasket fuel pressure gauge, they are worthless. Summit brand doent work either.
I tried both two times each, needles were pointing anywhere they wanted most of the time, made adjustments imposibble.
Finally had great luck with an Autometer brand fuel pressure gauge

i just bougth that dam pressure gauge too, that will probably have to just put in the wishlist on summit and wait for it to open up to a need.
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