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You pointed it out: a 4-speed is difficult to find, automatic you have more choice. I wanted a 4 speed and found one - with the circumstances that it was soon a project. I don't regret because I always wanted to have one. But from time to time, as I drove it before taking all apart I felt an automatic would be perhaps less stressful to drive sometime. With a 4-speed and a healthy motor it is difficult to cruise, with a idle at ca. 1.000 rpm (351C 4V) the car wanted always to be driven. You are in a permanent race modus Big Grin That's the charm on it - and don't forget the pedal forces and pedal ways which are needed to shift - it is not as on your everyday Volkswagen from 2015... Wink

I think an automatic will be the better cruiser and the 4-speed the better racer. But you can do also both with them important to say. A 4-speed will be hanging more directly on the rear than an automatic which will react a bit more softer at the end.

It all depends on how your drivestyle is...

Driving automatic is not that difficult to learn. If you can drive with a hand-shifted car you can also drive an automatic in general.

In case of doubt better buy the better car - the original and the untouched the better - if that car has an automatic or a 4-speed is then secondary...

Tim

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(09-24-2018, 06:07 PM)Machvince Wrote: Again me...
I found another Q code, with a · FRESHENED 351C 4V OUT OF 1970 MACH 1. Is it exactly the same engine ?

The 70 351C-4V was an M-code which has the closed chambered heads.  It didn't have some of the performance "tweaks" that Ford applied to the Q, but nothing earth shattering.


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(09-27-2018, 07:43 AM)Hemikiller Wrote:
(09-24-2018, 06:07 PM)Machvince Wrote: Again me...
I found another Q code, with a · FRESHENED 351C 4V OUT OF 1970 MACH 1. Is it exactly the same engine ?

The 70 351C-4V was an M-code which has the closed chambered heads.  It didn't have some of the performance "tweaks" that Ford applied to the Q, but nothing earth shattering.

I thought the M-code was a more performance engine than the q-code? It has more compression for example. Or do you mean the 4 bolt mains which the q-codes (mostly, mine not) got or any similar things? Which one would you rate more "performance", taken only the '71 M- and Q-codes?

A 1970 M-code 351C is very basically said the same engine than the later q-code, it is also a 351C 4V. But the differences are in the internals like compression, camshaft timing, heads, pistons etc... Block and crankshaft are the same, like on all 351Cs.

Tim

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(09-27-2018, 04:59 AM)timachone Wrote: You pointed it out: a 4-speed is difficult to find, automatic you have more choice. I wanted a 4 speed and found one - with the circumstances that it was soon a project. I don't regret because I always wanted to have one. But from time to time, as I drove it before taking all apart I felt an automatic would be perhaps less stressful to drive sometime. With a 4-speed and a healthy motor it is difficult to cruise, with a idle at ca. 1.000 rpm (351C 4V) the car wanted always to be driven. You are in a permanent race modus Big Grin That's the charm on it - and don't forget the pedal forces and pedal ways which are needed to shift - it is not as on your everyday Volkswagen from 2015... Wink

I think an automatic will be the better cruiser and the 4-speed the better racer. But you can do also both with them important to say. A 4-speed will be hanging more directly on the rear than an automatic which will react a bit more softer at the end.

It all depends on how your drivestyle is...

Driving automatic is not that difficult to learn. If you can drive with a hand-shifted car you can also drive an automatic in general.

In case of doubt better buy the better car - the original and the untouched the better - if that car has an automatic or a 4-speed is then secondary...

My ordinary car is not a Volks, it's this..  Haha  V code pweter metal 
[Image: big-47639704cc.jpg?v=6]

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#35
Find this one, pretty close to origin. EXcept for the hood.


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#36
(09-27-2018, 07:56 AM)timachone Wrote:
(09-27-2018, 07:43 AM)Hemikiller Wrote:
(09-24-2018, 06:07 PM)Machvince Wrote: Again me...
I found another Q code, with a · FRESHENED 351C 4V OUT OF 1970 MACH 1. Is it exactly the same engine ?

The 70 351C-4V was an M-code which has the closed chambered heads.  It didn't have some of the performance "tweaks" that Ford applied to the Q, but nothing earth shattering.

I thought the M-code was a more performance engine than the q-code? It has more compression for example. Or do you mean the 4 bolt mains which the q-codes (mostly, mine not) got or any similar things? Which one would you rate more "performance", taken only the '71 M- and Q-codes?

A 1970 M-code 351C is very basically said the same engine than the later q-code, it is also a 351C 4V. But the differences are in the internals like compression, camshaft timing, heads, pistons etc... Block and crankshaft are the same, like on all 351Cs.

Yes, and no. 

The M-code had higher compression, but was saddled with a very mildly timed cam and the smaller Autolite 4300 600cfm carb, along with a torque converter on automatic models that was not well suited to the engine's power band. 

The Q-code had a much higher lift and longer duration cam, dual point distributor, larger crank damper and a 715cfm 4300D with massive secondaries. Autos had a small diameter slippy torque converter that got the engine into it's power band much quicker. 

As a package, the Q-code was the better engine as it was more well thought out.


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(09-27-2018, 01:31 PM)Hemikiller Wrote:
(09-27-2018, 07:56 AM)timachone Wrote:
(09-27-2018, 07:43 AM)Hemikiller Wrote: The 70 351C-4V was an M-code which has the closed chambered heads.  It didn't have some of the performance "tweaks" that Ford applied to the Q, but nothing earth shattering.

I thought the M-code was a more performance engine than the q-code? It has more compression for example. Or do you mean the 4 bolt mains which the q-codes (mostly, mine not) got or any similar things? Which one would you rate more "performance", taken only the '71 M- and Q-codes?

A 1970 M-code 351C is very basically said the same engine than the later q-code, it is also a 351C 4V. But the differences are in the internals like compression, camshaft timing, heads, pistons etc... Block and crankshaft are the same, like on all 351Cs.

Yes, and no. 

The M-code had higher compression, but was saddled with a very mildly timed cam and the smaller Autolite 4300 600cfm carb, along with a torque converter on automatic models that was not well suited to the engine's power band. 

The Q-code had a much higher lift and longer duration cam, dual point distributor, larger crank damper and a 715cfm 4300D with massive secondaries. Autos had a small diameter slippy torque converter that got the engine into it's power band much quicker. 

As a package, the Q-code was the better engine as it was more well thought out.

Is it M code for the Windsor Anq Q code for the Cleveland ?

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#38
The 1969 M code Mustang was a 351 4V Windsor. The 1970 and 1971 M code Mustangs were 351 4V closed chamber Cleveland's. The 1971, 1972, and 1973 Q code Mustangs were 4V open chamber Cleveland's.



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(09-27-2018, 01:31 PM)Hemikiller Wrote:
(09-27-2018, 07:56 AM)timachone Wrote:
(09-27-2018, 07:43 AM)Hemikiller Wrote: The 70 351C-4V was an M-code which has the closed chambered heads.  It didn't have some of the performance "tweaks" that Ford applied to the Q, but nothing earth shattering.

I thought the M-code was a more performance engine than the q-code? It has more compression for example. Or do you mean the 4 bolt mains which the q-codes (mostly, mine not) got or any similar things? Which one would you rate more "performance", taken only the '71 M- and Q-codes?

A 1970 M-code 351C is very basically said the same engine than the later q-code, it is also a 351C 4V. But the differences are in the internals like compression, camshaft timing, heads, pistons etc... Block and crankshaft are the same, like on all 351Cs.

Yes, and no. 

The M-code had higher compression, but was saddled with a very mildly timed cam and the smaller Autolite 4300 600cfm carb, along with a torque converter on automatic models that was not well suited to the engine's power band. 

The Q-code had a much higher lift and longer duration cam, dual point distributor, larger crank damper and a 715cfm 4300D with massive secondaries. Autos had a small diameter slippy torque converter that got the engine into it's power band much quicker. 

As a package, the Q-code was the better engine as it was more well thought out.

Thank you for clarification goodpost 

Good to know!

Tim

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(09-27-2018, 12:13 PM)Machvince Wrote:
(09-27-2018, 04:59 AM)timachone Wrote: You pointed it out: a 4-speed is difficult to find, automatic you have more choice. I wanted a 4 speed and found one - with the circumstances that it was soon a project. I don't regret because I always wanted to have one. But from time to time, as I drove it before taking all apart I felt an automatic would be perhaps less stressful to drive sometime. With a 4-speed and a healthy motor it is difficult to cruise, with a idle at ca. 1.000 rpm (351C 4V) the car wanted always to be driven. You are in a permanent race modus Big Grin That's the charm on it - and don't forget the pedal forces and pedal ways which are needed to shift - it is not as on your everyday Volkswagen from 2015... Wink

I think an automatic will be the better cruiser and the 4-speed the better racer. But you can do also both with them important to say. A 4-speed will be hanging more directly on the rear than an automatic which will react a bit more softer at the end.

It all depends on how your drivestyle is...

Driving automatic is not that difficult to learn. If you can drive with a hand-shifted car you can also drive an automatic in general.

In case of doubt better buy the better car - the original and the untouched the better - if that car has an automatic or a 4-speed is then secondary...

My ordinary car is not a Volks, it's this..  Haha  V code pweter metal 
[Image: big-47639704cc.jpg?v=6]
Don't forget that you can always drive an automatic like a manual, just without the clutch ie start in 1st, move to 2nd then drive as/when you want too. Same with downshifting.

One other thing with importing cars directly from the USA, make sure that it is possible to actually register the car in France. I've been told recently that France, being France, is almost impossible to get it done this way, that's to say if a car has only been registered in the USA and not in Europe. The guy I was speaking to does some assistance with this and he picks up imported cars from French docks, takes them to UK for them to be registered there and then they get re-imported back into France. Seems it's much easier to get them registered that way. However this is what I was told so have no way of verifying if this is actually the case. Certainly worth checking out though just to be sure, others on here will have more info than me.
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