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Rag joint question
#31
(06-29-2019, 09:45 AM)vintageman Wrote: Yes, I had seen and read that thread before that is probably the main concern I had when I saw pins of shorter/smaller diameter sizes. Well the Lares 201 will be here Monday, I will install it and then put that issue to bed and move onto the next. Thanks all.

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(06-29-2019, 09:45 AM)vintageman Wrote: Yes, I had seen and read that thread before that is probably the main concern I had when I saw pins of shorter/smaller diameter sizes. Well the Lares 201 will be here Monday, I will install it and then put that issue to bed and move onto the next. Thanks all.

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(06-29-2019, 04:14 PM)midlife Wrote:
(06-29-2019, 09:45 AM)vintageman Wrote: Yes, I had seen and read that thread before that is probably the main concern I had when I saw pins of shorter/smaller diameter sizes. Well the Lares 201 will be here Monday, I will install it and then put that issue to bed and move onto the next. Thanks all.

Tom
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Haha  Very nice Midlife, I guess I need to start watching what I say around here. 

Well, I got the new one installed, went on very easy and everything lined up properly.  Hopefully only one last question on this, tightening up the bolts causes the rubber disk to flex, how tight should these bolts be and how much flex is ok? Thanks all, your advice and assistance has been a huge help.

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(07-01-2019, 08:17 PM)vintageman Wrote:
(06-29-2019, 04:14 PM)midlife Wrote:
(06-29-2019, 09:45 AM)vintageman Wrote: Yes, I had seen and read that thread before that is probably the main concern I had when I saw pins of shorter/smaller diameter sizes. Well the Lares 201 will be here Monday, I will install it and then put that issue to bed and move onto the next. Thanks all.

Tom
Bed hopping, eh?  You sure you got the right forum? whistling devil

Haha  Very nice Midlife, I guess I need to start watching what I say around here. 

Well, I got the new one installed, went on very easy and everything lined up properly.  Hopefully only one last question on this, tightening up the bolts causes the rubber disk to flex, how tight should these bolts be and how much flex is ok? Thanks all, your advice and assistance has been a huge help.

Tom
Tom, the nuts are Nylocks (if that's how to spell it), but I tightened mine all the way with no issues. I guess the rubbers are meant to flex some. The original did not have anything like that metal brace the Lares 201 has. I kinda wondered why it was there other than extra safety. Also I'm sure this joint is used on many other vehicles so who knows. Probably could ask Lares why it's there at all.

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#35
One detail I thought was odd. Why worry about there the steering box is turned? The steering wheel and shaft can be turned in any position and does not matter where the steering box is clocked. I had steering wheel off and just put it back on in correct position to align the horn ring.


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Carolina_Mountain_Mustangs Wrote:One detail I thought was odd. Why worry about there the steering box is turned? The steering wheel and shaft can be turned in any position and does not matter where the steering box is clocked. I had steering wheel off and just put it back on in correct position to align the horn ring.
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(07-02-2019, 09:19 AM)Carolina_Mountain_Mustangs Wrote: One detail I thought was odd. Why worry about there the steering box is turned? The steering wheel and shaft can be turned in any position and does not matter where the steering box is clocked. I had steering wheel off and just put it back on in correct position to align the horn ring.
 I see what you mean as long as the pitman arm is correct and the wheels are straight ahead, the box should be centered. If the steering wheel is off a few degrees, then re-installing it might work, however is not the best way to re-center the steering wheel by doing a proper alignment and adjust the tie rods? 
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#38
If the box isn't centered the steering wheel will turn further in one direction than the other. Or, one side would engage the stop and the other direction wouldn't.



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#39
(07-02-2019, 10:15 PM)Don C Wrote: If the box isn't centered the steering wheel will turn further in one direction than the other. Or, one side would engage the stop and the other direction wouldn't.
Agreed. You'd be 180 deg off. That's why the Ford pins have one larger than the other.
However, if the box is off center when connected to the column, the pitman arm will also be off center therefore when the drag link is connected, the front wheels will be pointing one way or the other. If the front wheels are straight ahead and the box is off center, then surely the pitman arm has been installed on the wrong splines, if that's even possible. I always mark the box and the pitman so I know it's correct.
The best way to prevent this is simply to make sure it is all centered and everything lines up BEFORE attempting to install the box to the frame, an once of prevention!!
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#40
You guys are overthinking this.

Ford designed these cars to be put together by relatively unskilled labor with minimal knowledge as quickly as possible, so they built in devices to "dummy proof" the assembly process. The wheel has an alignment mark punched into it, that matches up with the punch mark in the shaft. The coupler has eccentric sized pins so the steering column flange can only be clocked one way. The coupler and box input shaft have a flat so the coupler only lines up one way. The sector shaft on the box has four mating ribs in the splines, so the pitman arm can only be installed in increments of 90* - and if it's wrong, you're not going to be able to hook up the linkage at all.

The Lares 201 application chart is huge, it fits many more vehicles than just the 71-73 Mustangs. It's also applicable to GM F-bodies (Camaro/Firebird) among other things. The metal shield they include is a safety device as well, and I remember seeing it on the 70's F-bodies. It's there to keep the steering column flange from disengaging the pins in the event of a coupler disc failure. It would also rattle like crazy, so maybe the clueless driver would have the vehicle brought in for service.


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