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Rag Joint bolt tightening
#1
Re-built power steering box installed, (original box), with LARES 201 rag joint installed on steering box, pinch bolt in correct position and tight.
How much distance should there be from the flange on the steering column and the rubber on the joint? Should it be flush against it? I have about a 1/4" gap. I have installed one bolt temporarily just to see how much thread I would have for the nut. There is enough to get the nut started, but is it normal to tighten it and draw the rubber flush with the flange or should it have been touching the flange before tightening? Do I need to loosen the steering column and push it down, (if that is possible and correct). The pins are into the slots on the flange about as much as I have seen on the images of an installed joint. This "should" be my last hurdle, unless I get more brain damage bleeding the steering , brakes and hopefully an alignment on Monday, as I have replaced everything in the front suspension and steering.Confused
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#2
The rag joint rubber should be flat looking in the center of the joint no deflection and the flange should be engaging the pivot bolts both big and small.

The rubber is just a dampener the pivots need to be engaging the slots in the flange.
So if you took the rubber rag joint out the steering will still work you will just feel the road more.


Danno;195880 Wrote:Re-built power steering box installed, (original box), with LARES 201 rag joint installed on steering box, pinch bolt in correct position and tight.
How much distance should there be from the flange on the steering column and the rubber on the joint? Should it be flush against it? I have about a 1/4" gap. I have installed one bolt temporarily just to see how much thread I would have for the nut. There is enough to get the nut started, but is it normal to tighten it and draw the rubber flush with the flange or should it have been touching the flange before tightening? Do I need to loosen the steering column and push it down, (if that is possible and correct). The pins are into the slots on the flange about as much as I have seen on the images of an installed joint. This "should" be my last hurdle, unless I get more brain damage bleeding the steering , brakes and hopefully an alignment on Monday, as I have replaced everything in the front suspension and steering.Confused
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#3
Any chance you can post a pic? Not following g your question.
Thanks
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#4
sdstang;195896 Wrote:Any chance you can post a pic? Not following g your question.
Thanks
I will try to explain this because my daughters aren't here to walk me thru basic computer skills. LOL...
The coupler is attached to the steering box, this entire assembly is attached and torqued on the car.
When I look at the flange on the end of the steering column, and where the rubber on the coupling are in relation to each other, these is about a 1/4 " gap between them.
I will be able to get the two bolts and the backing plate on the coupler tightened onto the flange, but the rubber will be slightly pulled towards the flange.
My question is, should there be any gap between the coupler and the steering shaft flange BEFORE the two bolts are tightened? The two pins on the coupler are engaging the flange on the column BTW.
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#5
This is what I had prior to dis-assembly. Rubber is pulled slightly forward.


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sdstang;195984 Wrote:This is what I had prior to dis-assembly. Rubber is pulled slightly forward.
Thanks, that is what mine looks like now, only new parts. It didn't deform or pull as much as I thought it would. I think I am good to go now.......Tongue
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#7
here is mine:

WRONG:
[Image: 100_0958_zpscff365ee.jpg]

Right:

small pin
[Image: DSCN0300_zps74047c7d.jpg]

large pin
[Image: DSCN0301_zpsa7407567.jpg]
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72HCODE;196024 Wrote:here is mine:

WRONG:
[Image: 100_0958_zpscff365ee.jpg]

Right:

small pin
[Image: DSCN0300_zps74047c7d.jpg]

large pin
[Image: DSCN0301_zpsa7407567.jpg]

WQW! I wish I had seen these pictures a couple days ago. I did an "image search" of rag joints and saw it both ways, with deflection in the rubber and flat with no deflection in the rubber. I think I read somewhere that the column can be moved in and out for rag joint maintenance.........I will need to adjust the column I guess, is that a big deal?Huh
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#9
no big deal usually the column extender is frozen with rust, i had to smack mine with a hammer a couple of times to push it out a little more.

basically you want to imagine the joint working without the rubber disc, those 2 pivots, large and small, are what is important so when you rotate the steering wheel you want to make sure those stay in the slots on the column side because if the rubber fails then the steering will not fail.

i had that situation occur to me, some person before me, tried to adjust the column and pulled it in towards the driver, what they didn't know was the extender was frozen from 40 years of rust. so they pulled the column up and the disc deflected into a U shape and the pivots no longer were in the slots on the column side of the rag joint.
I drove the car the rag joint failed and i had the steering wheel of the USS minnow, no control and the wheel spun 360 degrees. so be careful.
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72HCODE;196066 Wrote:no big deal usually the column extender is frozen with rust, i had to smack mine with a hammer a couple of times to push it out a little more.

basically you want to imagine the joint working without the rubber disc, those 2 pivots, large and small, are what is important so when you rotate the steering wheel you want to make sure those stay in the slots on the column side because if the rubber fails then the steering will not fail.

i had that situation occur to me, some person before me, tried to adjust the column and pulled it in towards the driver, what they didn't know was the extender was frozen from 40 years of rust. so they pulled the column up and the disc deflected into a U shape and the pivots no longer were in the slots on the column side of the rag joint.
I drove the car the rag joint failed and i had the steering wheel of the USS minnow, no control and the wheel spun 360 degrees. so be careful.
Mine has very slight deflection, the pins are well into the slots also...nice pictures.........thanks
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