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Question for you welders
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Okay while I do understand that welding is an art. I do respect the amazing talent in the skill it takes to weld and make it a clean and strong joint. I lack this skill and equipment. I need to have floor pans welded in to my coupe. I am buying the pans and I just need a skilled welder. I have been turned down by 2 welders already because it's so old of a car and another guy on the phone quoted me 2000 to do the work. So the question is what would you charge a person for the work? I mean does it take anything more than to cut out the old, put in the new, and weld it down? If the old pans get cut out is the body going to twist and go out of whack?(was told this) I'm just amazed that I'm having such a hard time finding a reasonable person for the job. Let me know please. ( I know none of you are close enough to do the work I just was curious)
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1971coupe;16721 Wrote:Okay while I do understand that welding is an art. I do respect the amazing talent in the skill it takes to weld and make it a clean and strong joint. I lack this skill and equipment. I need to have floor pans welded in to my coupe. I am buying the pans and I just need a skilled welder. I have been turned down by 2 welders already because it's so old of a car and another guy on the phone quoted me 2000 to do the work. So the question is what would you charge a person for the work? I mean does it take anything more than to cut out the old, put in the new, and weld it down? If the old pans get cut out is the body going to twist and go out of whack?(was told this) I'm just amazed that I'm having such a hard time finding a reasonable person for the job. Let me know please. ( I know none of you are close enough to do the work I just was curious)
There's alot more to it than just "cut out the old, put in the new" If you want the right job...You can bet on it, that inside the front rail extension is gonna have rust..the rear torque box may need a repair..Are you gonna just leave it ? Who's removing the interior & putting it back..Do you want a butt weld(non visible repair) or overlap ? The car won't go out of whack & twist if it's supported right & ONLY 1 SIDE IS DONE AT A TIME ! As someone who did this type of work for over 25 years I won't even quote the price by the job..strictly time & materials..For me your looking $75.00 per hour.. for the pans AFTER the interior is out..$2000.00 is more than fair for a true pro..I would check his prior work..You don't need a welder you need a COMPETENT AUTO BODY SHOP
You can see whats involved at my site herehttp://www.saturdaymorninggarage.com/ Scroll down to "stang floors welded in..



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#3
You put that very well Scott!! most non welder think and say to me.... it's just a simple weld it should not be much$$$ they do not understand the amount of prep work just to start welding... if they are good welders.
again you put that very well.
1971 coupe, I would like Scott said see if they have ever done this before and how it turned out. there are a lot of ( I think I am a welder) out there!!! I have had to fix many welds that other people have done.
I hope this helped.
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dito on the body shop. I am a professional welder but have never welded on a car yet apart from some mufflers. I would need to ask a lot of questions before attempting to do that kind of work. I am not saying I wouldn't do it but I would do it on {MY} car. If a guy asked me to do a floor job for him At this point in time I would send him to a body shop. You have to understand that most welding is done on much thicker steel. So someone who works in ornamental iron work or construction does not necessarily have the skill to work on a classic car. Also welding on a car is a slow process I would think because you can't heat up the steel to much to avoid warping. And that results in a lot of hours to do a job.

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Well as a non welder or body type guy I guess I've been put in my place. Although at 75.00 an hour to get too 2000 that is over 3 days of work. Being 8 hr days. I guess I'm in shock that would be the going rate for the floor pans. Well at this point I'm not sure what to do. With purchase price of 4100, plus the other 500 to 1000 I have already put it, plus the other min of 500 to get it road worthy, now 2000 for floor pans. Wrap that all up with a teenager son that is waiting to drive this car who is already 17 and has no other transportation to get to and from school and to and from a job. Starting to think I should jump out now. Guess I have a lot to think about. Thanks again for the advice and help.
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1971coupe;16765 Wrote:Well as a non welder or body type guy I guess I've been put in my place. Although at 75.00 an hour to get too 2000 that is over 3 days of work. Being 8 hr days. I guess I'm in shock that would be the going rate for the floor pans. Well at this point I'm not sure what to do. With purchase price of 4100, plus the other 500 to 1000 I have already put it, plus the other min of 500 to get it road worthy, now 2000 for floor pans. Wrap that all up with a teenager son that is waiting to drive this car who is already 17 and has no other transportation to get to and from school and to and from a job. Starting to think I should jump out now. Guess I have a lot to think about. Thanks again for the advice and help.

Buy a welder and learn to weld?

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1971coupe;16765 Wrote:Well as a non welder or body type guy I guess I've been put in my place. Although at 75.00 an hour to get too 2000 that is over 3 days of work. Being 8 hr days. I guess I'm in shock that would be the going rate for the floor pans. Well at this point I'm not sure what to do. With purchase price of 4100, plus the other 500 to 1000 I have already put it, plus the other min of 500 to get it road worthy, now 2000 for floor pans. Wrap that all up with a teenager son that is waiting to drive this car who is already 17 and has no other transportation to get to and from school and to and from a job. Starting to think I should jump out now. Guess I have a lot to think about. Thanks again for the advice and help.

There is yet another path, which is to become a skilled welder. Welding is an art, but with practice, patience and a little guidance, it is a not impossible to learn. Rust repair IMHO is not one of those things you can subcontract on our cars. It is simply too time consuming and expensive to hire a skilled fabricator to do. As you have leaned, you can get upside down very quickly on a car if you do.

For much less than the cost of having your pans done you can buy a decent mig welder, especially if you look used. After that practice is really really cheap! Do you have any fellow car guys (they do not have to be Mustang guys) that might be willing to give you some hands on lessons in exchange for a pizza and some beer? If I were close I would.

You mention the 17 year old, and that's perfect. The two of you can challenge each other to see who can master welding better. I started oxyacetylene welding at about that age. Hand-eye coordination is a big part of welding, and it is pretty good at that age.

Welding is something that many people are scared of. Just like anything it will take time to learn, but it is a skill that once you have mastered, you look at the world and project cars differently. If you like it and become accomplished, it can be a great way to pick up some extra $$$, especially for a young person looking to earn some college book money...hint hint.

If neither of you like it you can sell the welder after the project (or before if you really despise it!) and get most of your money back, especially if you start with a quality used welder.

An option to think about before you bail on the car.
~Jim


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Widowmaker00;16769 Wrote:
1971coupe;16765 Wrote:Well as a non welder or body type guy I guess I've been put in my place. Although at 75.00 an hour to get too 2000 that is over 3 days of work. Being 8 hr days. I guess I'm in shock that would be the going rate for the floor pans. Well at this point I'm not sure what to do. With purchase price of 4100, plus the other 500 to 1000 I have already put it, plus the other min of 500 to get it road worthy, now 2000 for floor pans. Wrap that all up with a teenager son that is waiting to drive this car who is already 17 and has no other transportation to get to and from school and to and from a job. Starting to think I should jump out now. Guess I have a lot to think about. Thanks again for the advice and help.

Buy a welder and learn to weld?
$75.00 is the going rate in my neck of the woods(tri-state area) for structural work /frame work/ restoration, in other areas of the country it's much cheaper..But factored into that is insurance, workers comp, elec heat ,rent..etc..Everything is so darn expensive these days..It's killing people..I think that's why you see so many diyers..To be frank you couldn't pay me enough to work, do that job on someones else s car..I've had my full it's dirty nasty work & you need to be set up properly to do it safely. Not to burst your bubble but unless you've restored a car before it can be a real opener $$$$ wise..A car that needs a restoration isn't a car for a 17 year that needs good reliable transportation..It's a car for a father & son to tackle together as time & funds permit...The bonding & memories you make doing a car that way will last forever & your son will never forget it ! Put it on the back burner..get him a good reliable everyday ride & work on it together as time & funds permit ! Or as 72-Q said


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Good luck, and as mentioned be careful. You are replacing structure integrity

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$75.00 is the going rate in my neck of the woods(tri-state area) for structural work /frame work/ restoration, in other areas of the country it's much cheaper..But factored into that is insurance, workers comp, elec heat ,rent..etc..Everything is so darn expensive these days..It's killing people..I think that's why you see so many diyers..To be frank you couldn't pay me enough to work, do that job on someones else s car..I've had my full it's dirty nasty work & you need to be set up properly to do it safely. Not to burst your bubble but unless you've restored a car before it can be a real opener $$$$ wise..A car that needs a restoration isn't a car for a 17 year that needs good reliable transportation..It's a car for a father & son to tackle together as time & funds permit...The bonding & memories you make doing a car that way will last forever & your son will never forget it ! Put it on the back burner..get him a good reliable everyday ride & work on it together as time & funds permit ! Or as 72-Q said


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great answer Q-CODE

Eric


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