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Overhaulin (and the like)
#1
runninpony 
Hi,
This is a discussion I had with some pals a while ago.
Until recently a European TV station aired "Overhaulin". I know the show is already yesterdays news in the US (and meanwhile here too), but anyway.

Suppose the show is not fake and they really redo a car within a week. If you have a team of let´s say 30 people work on the car continously in 3 shifts over 24 hours, you can get a lot of hours worked on it.

But here´s my thought. How can you weld, primer and paint a car within let´s say 48 hours without letting it cure in between?
If the show was not fake and they really did this, these cars must look awful by now, as the finish will have settled and caused creases.

Or am I completely mistaken?



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#2
luxstang;21416 Wrote:Hi,
This is a discussion I had with some pals a while ago.
Until recently a European TV station aired "Overhaulin". I know the show is already yesterdays news in the US (and meanwhile here too), but anyway.

Suppose the show is not fake and they really redo a car within a week. If you have a team of let´s say 30 people work on the car continously in 3 shifts over 24 hours, you can get a lot of hours worked on it.

But here´s my thought. How can you weld, primer and paint a car within let´s say 48 hours without letting it cure in between?
If the show was not fake and they really did this, these cars must look awful by now, as the finish will have settled and caused creases.

Or am I completely mistaken?

I think that they have a time frame between the build and the reveal or else, they have a hands off policy until the car cures after the reveal! Good question!

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#3
there are all kinds of rumors in regards to this show.

one is that the cars are not given back to the owners for some time.

supposedly the cars are kept to work out all the little issues and then some cars are sent on promotional tours on trailers to shows for about 6 months.

there are rumors about motors blowing up, or the owners being unhappy that their cars were modernized.

there is a rumor about one show that never aired, and a law suit and that ended the we are stealing your car gag.

if you notice the later seasons of overhauling they no longer steal the cars, they walk up to the owner's house and announce they will be on overhauling then they involve the owner in the build of the car, sometime the owner will work on the car up till the body work is completed then the car is hidden from the owner until final reveal.

i read 2 threads on cars that were done on the show. one involving the Dodge magnum, where they installed a supercharger on the engine, and later the engine grenaded and the owner had to fight to have the engine replaced.

the second thread was in regards to one owner being unhappy with the color the car was painted and having the car stripped and re-painted.

that was about it all the other stuff i heard about or read about seemed to be rumors.

there are a LOT of threads about how bad the work was on the "pimp my ride" cars.
many of those showed up on Ebay.

there was also threads about the terrible work done by Unique automotive that was in holbrook Long island.
i know that Unique left NY some time ago for florida and i'm not sure the show is even on TV anymore.
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#4
I always had reservations about the "Pimp My Ride" cars, you could tell they were shoddy jobs by looking at the detail. I remember a lot of those episodes where they didn't even show the engines or say anything about fixing them up; then they started doing the engines too. I would have a hard time complaining about the Overhaulin jobs. If they took my car down to the frame, poweder coated it and put in all new suspension, rebuild or new engine, etc., what is there to complain about if it's free!
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#5
what a good thread!!...

Well.. me, as a designer, i HAVE to respect Chip Foose in many many ways because as much as I´m a classic, factory, stock or whatever fan, the man did some interesting modifications... Some of them i didn´t care but I remember the Challenger with the crazy paint theme or a 1967 mustang fastback that was painted in black that were at least, good ideas...

The fact that a car CANT be propperly done in a week, for me is a true fact... Besides the mechanical part (they used all new parts and the best you can get so, no complains there), the body work, even if you use all new skins and you have artists aligning the panels, it is not possible to start from scratch and 48 hours later the car was ready to reasamble...

We have to think that this cars are not gonna be drivable again, or that is the spirit there... Overhaulin turned forgotten cars into some show pieces... shinny to the cameras but I´m sure, not made to be judge looking... I even noticed some BAD bondo sanding in some shots or some spray can engine bays painted that are not quality show of course...

Despite of my prefers for classic factory cars, Foose or the production used to plan a very organized restoration process with no money issues and for me, the work they did can be done in a week period... Maybe after the "revelation" the car is in need of some polishing, tunning or that stuff we all have to do after we restore our cars, but the basic stuff for the camera eye and thinking it is a TV show, in my opinion, it is possible.




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#6
Yes, Chip my car is located at .... ! Please feel free to ask any of my family members what I would like as they all have been informed. Just keep my 351C and give it back to me as a standard. P.S. please leave my mirrors and door handles on the car.

I enjoy watching my videos of the show and appreciate not just the talent that Chip has but his supervision of his people. The other shows mentioned never interested me - I like quality.

As to how they look latter. I examined one at a Ohio car show and it looked very nice still. What bothers me is that some of the people he rebuilds for do not have the faintest idea of his skill and what it took to do the car and then many end up for sale for a sky high price. I thought these were cars that meant more than $$$ to their owners.

Again, Mr. Foose my car is located at ... Big Grin
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#7
Chip can take my car and work some magic....but as Steven says...Leave my mirrors and door handles be and a nice Tremec TKO with a 347 stroker would be just about right....oh maybe Rousch charge it along the way.

Never really liked some of the Pimp My rides cars as some of them were a little far out for my taste.

I did like the concept of overhaulin but again the fact that some of these cars have landed on ebay is not right.

While we're on this subject what do you guys think of that new show Car Warriors?

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#8
luxstang;21416 Wrote:Hi,
This is a discussion I had with some pals a while ago.
Until recently a European TV station aired "Overhaulin". I know the show is already yesterdays news in the US (and meanwhile here too), but anyway.

Suppose the show is not fake and they really redo a car within a week. If you have a team of let´s say 30 people work on the car continously in 3 shifts over 24 hours, you can get a lot of hours worked on it.

But here´s my thought. How can you weld, primer and paint a car within let´s say 48 hours without letting it cure in between?
If the show was not fake and they really did this, these cars must look awful by now, as the finish will have settled and caused creases.

Or am I completely mistaken?
We did it all the time in my shop..It's called a downdraft baking spray booth..
I could do a fender job in the morning & deliver it that night no problem. You'll see in these shows that's what they use. http://www.ameri-cure.com/ there are also many products available to do whats called "wet on wet" Which means you spray the primer & no sanding required 10 min flash in the booth..Then paint
I also saw an eposide where they did a gto that was tagged in the rear..They couldn't get the deck lid to fit right What i saw chip foose do next blew me away Instead of putting the car on the frame machine & pulling the unibody into place correctly..He cut one of the hinge arms pulled it into place & then rewelded it TOTAL HACK REPAIR !

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#9
YA GOTTA REMEMBER GUYS, THE SHOWS ARE THERE TO SELL PRODUCTS AND TOOLS. IF IT WASNT FOR THE SPONSORS THEY COULDNT BUILD SH-T. THERE IS A LOT OF TIME LAPSE BETWEEN SHOWS AND JUST BECAUSE THEY SAY THERE ON A TIME LIMIT WHY DOES IT TAKE SO LONG TO DO A CAR OTHER THAN THE COMMERCIALS AND THE FACT THAT WE GET IT IN EPISODES. AND TO ADD MOST OF THE NEW PAINTS ARE DRY TO THE TOUCH IN IN A SHORT TIME AND SUPPOSEDLY ABLE TO BE BUFFED IN LESS THAN A DAY AND THATS WITHOUT SOMWE FANCY OVEN, I PERSONALLY STILL LIKE TO GIVE THEM MORE TIME, BUT I JUST PAINTED A BUMPER AT ABOUT 11 IN THE MORNING AND DELIVERED IT TO THE OWNER AT 6 PM. I DONT LIKE DOING IT BUT THEY NEEDED THE TRUCK, I HAVE NO BOOTH OR OVEN.
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#10
Thanx for all the intresting feedback, especially from Q about how it can be done.
I know my car has little "canions" under the paint that you can only spot under neon lights, but they are there. I was told it was the undercoats that have not had enough time to cure and thus settled and shrank underneath the paint.
One thing might be that here in Europe they spray thinner coats than in the US with less buffing in the end, so the prep work needs to be more accurate.
Anyway.

Back to the shows: I think we can dump the Pimp My Ride crap immediately. That was just a matter of putting in subwoofers and Playstations (or x-boxes or whatever) and flatscreens in the most unapropriate places and spraying a flashy paint job onto a completely rotten car.

I know that it is all about product placement and sponsoring. Plus remember it´s TV, so we must not assume that what we see is waht went down, which is why I wrote in the original post "if the show was not fake"

Chip Foose on the other hand is somebody who knows what he is doing, at least when it comes to design issues. I love how he has the talent to spot what it is that makes a certain model look the way it does and how to change everything that distracts from those lines.
And yes, I love most of the cars he´s done (except for that golden ´Cuda which was not an "Overhauling" Car. Wasn´t it called the Terracuda?), especially the two tone paint jobs.
Although I don´t like the 20+ inch rims they usually put on the cars, but that can be changed easily.

Also the show looks like they are are doing more than just your basic "bling bling" stuff.

It simply felt weird to me that Foose would agree to have poorly made cars out on the streets carrying his (respected and renowned) name.
He got paid for it, sure, but still.
But when Q sais it can be done, I will not argue that point!

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