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Nut and Bolt Restoration 1970 BOSS 302
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Geoff, this is something I'm sure he already knows, but make sure he wraps and stores those trim rings like they are made of gold.....Cause they are!     Big Grin

Steve

No Officer...I really don't know how fast I was going, my speedometer stopped at 140!
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(05-31-2018, 09:04 PM)secluff Wrote: Geoff, this is something I'm sure he already knows, but make sure he wraps and stores those trim rings like they are made of gold.....Cause they are!     Big Grin

 Will do for sure. I know he paid a small fortune for the NOS caps.
 One problem he has found since it's been on the road and that's only a couple of weeks, is the Scott Drake upper and lower control arms have bad ball joints, so he's ripping them out and putting Moog ones in, hoping they'll be better quality. I guess NOS suspension parts are not available here. Any suggestions?
The front end "kit" I bought for my Mach are also SD, didn't know that until I got the kit, but so far I have not had such a problem that I know of, going to check!!
Geoff.
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#13
Geoff, even though the 15" trim rings had been in use since 1970, you would think Ford only put them on a dozen cars when pricing them. My Money Pit #2 had the F60 X15 option, but with two rims, caps and trim rings "Removed", Money Pit will be running some NOS Magnums I have set back. The original M code engine and C6 were missing when I acquired her and she is FAR from being a Show Queen, and the price of the trim rings is out of my price range. The caps are just about as bad. Brushed finish was used for trim ring applications and the shiny finish on non trim ring cars. Finding the proper finish and with no damage can be challenging.
As far as front end components I trust Moog, and they are also the official supplier to Nascar. When Ford came out with a new line of steering and suspension components to be more competitive with the aftermarket, they were branded Motorcraft and Moog was the supplier. The blue and white Ford oval boxed parts were still required for under warranty repairs to meet some states requirements for OE parts only for warranty repairs.
I used to think a lot of Scott Drake products, but after seeing some comments on here about different problems everyone is having, looks like they are just someone else with their hands in our pockets!   Big Grin

Steve

No Officer...I really don't know how fast I was going, my speedometer stopped at 140!
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(06-01-2018, 11:28 AM)secluff Wrote: Geoff, even though the 15" trim rings had been in use since 1970, you would think Ford only put them on a dozen cars when pricing them. My Money Pit #2 had the F60 X15 option, but with two rims, caps and trim rings "Removed", Money Pit will be running some NOS Magnums I have set back. The original M code engine and C6 were missing when I acquired her and she is FAR from being a Show Queen, and the price of the trim rings is out of my price range. The caps are just about as bad. Brushed finish was used for trim ring applications and the shiny finish on non trim ring cars. Finding the proper finish and with no damage can be challenging.
As far as front end components I trust Moog, and they are also the official supplier to Nascar. When Ford came out with a new line of steering and suspension components to be more competitive with the aftermarket, they were branded Motorcraft and Moog was the supplier. The blue and white Ford oval boxed parts were still required for under warranty repairs to meet some states requirements for OE parts only for warranty repairs.
I used to think a lot of Scott Drake products, but after seeing some comments on here about different problems everyone is having, looks like they are just someone else with their hands in our pockets!   Big Grin

 Steve, you are awesome!! Thanks for your knowledge and insight. I'll pass your comments on to Bob. I'm sure he'll be pleased to have the Moog ones verified as good parts. I too think SD need to up their game with quality. This "Made in China" crap has to stop. I would not mind paying a few extra bucks for US or Canadian made parts if I only have to do the job once!
Geoff. Thankyouyellow
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I agree with the quantity of junk that is available from China, but it is more the importer's and supplier's faults than the Chinese. China is completely capable of manufacturing quality products. The lack of specifications and quality control lies at the feet of companies like Scott Drake, who are only interested in pushing out low price/quality for quality product prices. Quality products, even from China, come with a price tag.



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+1 on Don C's post. There are companies that have products made in China and have demanding specifications and rigorous quality control. I'm typing this on such a product, my Mac tool. Chuck
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(06-01-2018, 06:13 PM)c9zx Wrote: +1 on Don C's post. There are companies that have products made in China and have demanding specifications and rigorous quality control. I'm typing this on such a product, my Mac tool. Chuck

 I didn't mean to open a can of worms. The Chines have been making "stuff" for thousands of years and they are typically brilliant people all around. You are both right, it does come down to our suppliers demanding and maintaining the quality we expect, but as always it seems a few less scrupulous companies sidestep quality over profit when the customer isn't looking. It doesn't have to be that way.
Geoff.
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#18
Geoff, this is your thread, you can take it where ever you want. Even if it involves opening cans of worms!! Normally when Eric and I are discussing anything and it turns to Fox Mustangs, we always try to blame David.
Don C is 100% correct. China can and does manufacture quality products. The importer and suppliers who want the product built as cheaply as possible but then retail them at premium prices are the cause of the *&%!$# junk we are having to sort through. I prefer to buy American manufactured, but will also purchase from another country IF I am receiving the same quality part.
Now Geoff's friend Bob has to risk damaging show quality paint on a Boss 302 to remove junk parts he probably paid big $$$$ for!! Smile
And..what do you know about the silver Lincoln vert in your second picture? Those early 60's Lincolns are super sharp!!

Steve

No Officer...I really don't know how fast I was going, my speedometer stopped at 140!
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(06-01-2018, 09:08 PM)secluff Wrote: Geoff, this is your thread, you can take it where ever you want. Even if it involves opening cans of worms!! Normally when Eric and I are discussing anything and it turns to Fox Mustangs, we always try to blame David.

Too funny!!

Don C is 100% correct. China can and does manufacture quality products. The importer and suppliers who want the product built as cheaply as possible but then retail them at premium prices are the cause of the *&%!$# junk we are having to sort through. I prefer to buy American manufactured, but will also purchase from another country IF I am receiving the same quality part.

Totally agree.

Now Geoff's friend Bob has to risk damaging show quality paint on a Boss 302 to remove junk parts he probably paid big $$$$ for!! Smile

He does and he's pissed off that he has to re-do the suspension. The bonus I guess is that he can have the satisfaction of knowing he has premium parts on a premium car.

And..what do you know about the silver Lincoln vert in your second picture? Those early 60's Lincolns are super sharp!!

I'll keep my eye open next time I see that car. I think he is a new comer to our local A&W Cruise Night as I don't recall that one before and I know most of the cars and guys who attend. IF I remember, I'll get back to you on that one. (or you can remind me!!)
Geoff
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Steve, I talked to Bob last night and he has installed the Moog front suspension parts already. When he decides to do something, it's done fast!
He does have a question you or someone else with knowledge of Boss 302's might be able to help with. He is using cross ply tires as you know, but having difficulty with set up. He has aligned the front to specs given to him, but says it feels "squirmy". Could be he's just not used to old style tires or it could be the setting he was given are wrong. I forget exactly what he told me, so I won't quote anything for now. I suggested he throw the old 500's on for driving and use the cross-ply's for shows!
 Can someone offer recommendations?
As for the silver Lincoln, I did find out who was driving it, but he was not there last night. It could be a restoration project car he was working on, so I might not see it again. If I find out more info, I'll pass it on.
Geoff.
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