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new fire extinguisher
#1
I got a new fire extinguisher for the car for Christmas. It is a very interesting design and it is small. https://elementfire.com/pages/models
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#2
Very interesting, for sure, thanks for sharing.



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#3
Very cool, might just have to get one of those.

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#4
It is a bit speedy at $80.00 but, has 5 times the discharge to of a normal car sized extinguisher and even works on grease fires. Chuck
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#5
Cheap insurance. I'm thinking about one for our motorhome, I've seen several burned down to the frame, surprisingly most from engine fires, not from a bad cook. Hard to get the powder from a regular extinguisher back into the engine without pulling the cover off inside. Plus, the size of these will make it easy to move around from vehicle to vehicle. Plus 2, don't have to worry about getting them serviced. I've seen people try to use old extinguishers that either had no pressure or the powder had caked up.



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#6
May get me one of those also. Currently have a Halotron unit but can be dangerous.

mike

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#7
UL/ULC tested and certified? Has any accredited testing agency applied their approval mark to these?
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(12-30-2018, 11:55 PM)7173Vert Wrote: UL/ULC tested and certified? Has any accredited testing agency applied their approval mark to these?

I would say no. This is from their website.....


"IS ELEMENT CERTIFIED? 
Originating in Italy, Element has been certified for sale in Europe by CE and TUV. Institutionally it has been tested and certified for use by multiple international military and police groups who have adopted it for active use.
In North America, Underwriters Laboratories (UL) is responsible for the certification of fire extinguishers. UL does their testing to a standard that contains a form (physical shape) component followed by a performance component. Because Element's form does not fit inside of UL's guidelines of what a traditional fire extinguisher looks like (i.e. compressed gas cylinder with a hose and measurement gauge) it is immediately passed over for performance testing. At present UL is being campaigned to update its standards to recognize the different form offered by Element and allow it an opportunity to be tested and certified.
Until the standards are updated Element cannot be used to substitute extinguishers in regulated environments that require a UL (or UL endorsed) certification. Element can however be freely used as an supplement to the extinguishers used where regulation exists.
There are no restrictions in non-regulated environments (car, home, personal garage, etc.) allowing Element to be used freely.

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(12-31-2018, 08:36 AM)T73pony Wrote:
(12-30-2018, 11:55 PM)7173Vert Wrote: UL/ULC tested and certified? Has any accredited testing agency applied their approval mark to these?

I would say no. This is from their website.....


"IS ELEMENT CERTIFIED? 
Originating in Italy, Element has been certified for sale in Europe by CE and TUV. Institutionally it has been tested and certified for use by multiple international military and police groups who have adopted it for active use.
In North America, Underwriters Laboratories (UL) is responsible for the certification of fire extinguishers. UL does their testing to a standard that contains a form (physical shape) component followed by a performance component. Because Element's form does not fit inside of UL's guidelines of what a traditional fire extinguisher looks like (i.e. compressed gas cylinder with a hose and measurement gauge) it is immediately passed over for performance testing. At present UL is being campaigned to update its standards to recognize the different form offered by Element and allow it an opportunity to be tested and certified.
Until the standards are updated Element cannot be used to substitute extinguishers in regulated environments that require a UL (or UL endorsed) certification. Element can however be freely used as an supplement to the extinguishers used where regulation exists.
There are no restrictions in non-regulated environments (car, home, personal garage, etc.) allowing Element to be used freely.

I already knew it was not... Personally, I would not install this in my car. 

Interesting that the mfr. is trying to extrapolate the UL requirements by manipulating their wording. Bottom line: UL does not have to update their requirements, the mfr. should build a product that meets the proven intent of the applicable standards.
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#10
If manufacturers didn't petition UL to update their specifications, and if the UL never updated, we would still be using cathode ray television sets (no flat screens or 60" screens to watch the big game on) and incandescent light bulbs, for a couple of examples. Innovation by manufacturers triggers the need for UL updates. UL does not come up with new ideas.



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