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Mustang stolen in 1980 confiscated
#1
http://longisland.news12.com/story/37130...en-in-1980

As law enforcement finally catches up on technology and stolen record data. 

Could your VIN be on paper list somewhere ready to be imported into a database, and ready to be picked up?

On another topic --- After he spent quite some money into the project , insurance gives him just $1,450 (?).

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#2
Interesting legal opinion:

https://www.hagerty.com/articles-videos/...n-car-back


Ray

1971 Boss 351  
1972 Q code 4 speed convertible 
1971 Mustang Sportsroof  351-2V FMX 
1973 Mach 1 (parts car)
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#3
Here in Alabama, in the past the DMV would get mad at me if I brought them a title on one of my 71-73 purchases. They would tell me they only needed a signed Bill of Sale (and only recently have required that it be notarized) in order to register the vehicle. A few years ago they started requiring an inspection for all out of state purchases. I have never bought anything knowing it was stolen. Unfortunately, I don't know all the history of all of my cars going back to day one, and neither did the people I bought them from. I'm very disappointed to be reading this new thread and the comments made by people off this site about the posts in the thread. It's very scary. The DMV here only looks at the dash VIN plate when they do an inspection. They never look for numbers on the shock towers. When they OK the inspection, I'm sure they do an internet data base check to see if the car was ever reported as being stolen. At no time when I have ever had a car registered did the DMV say that any of my cars were stolen, but I feel it's just a matter of time before that happens. They don't title cars this old in Alabama. A lot of times I never even asked for a title because it wasn't needed here. They just give registration certificates which should allow the car to be titled in another state. My question is this, "Since I live in a state that doesn't require titles, am I in any way protected or treated differently than someone who lives in a title state?" I dump a lot of money in my cars and would hate to see a car I bought for $500 that I put $50,000 into cause me the kind of grief that poor soul is going through. I also have paid lots of money for Hagerty insurance for my cars, and I wonder if they would pay anything to me if a car they insured was found to be stolen in the past. That's a question I plan to ask them next week. It seems the DMV should be taking some responsibility in granting me ownership of a vehicle. They get to collect the fees, and taxes, and, I guess, they would be the very ones collecting the car and impounding it. I'm pretty sure it is a big ordeal here to run a title check on a car, so I have never done it before buying a car. I don't think I can just call the DMV and say, "I'm thinking about buying this car and I'd like to know if it was ever reported as being stolen." I'm sure I'd have to fill out twenty pages of forms and pay a fee and mail it all to Montgomery and then wait three months to get a reply. How's everyone else feeling about this?

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And 10 more verts, 2 Boss 351s and 1 M-code Mach I! Big Grin
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#4
Excellent point kevken1959. I too feel the last owner of the car had no idea the car had ever been stolen. This almost looks like we need title company similar to the one used for real estate for the transfer of ownership of cars? I hope it doesn't get to that!

Ray

1971 Boss 351  
1972 Q code 4 speed convertible 
1971 Mustang Sportsroof  351-2V FMX 
1973 Mach 1 (parts car)
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#5
(12-25-2017, 10:24 AM)Boss1Ray Wrote: Excellent point kevken1959. I too feel the last owner of the car had no idea the car had ever been stolen.  This almost looks like we need  title company similar to the one used for real estate for the transfer of ownership of cars?  I hope it doesn't get to that!

Ray

I was thinking the same thing Ray, title insurance! I sent an email to Hagerty to see if they would pay me if anything like that happens to a car they insure for me. I'll post the answer when I get it. I'm going to talk to someone at the DMV here next week as well.

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And 10 more verts, 2 Boss 351s and 1 M-code Mach I! Big Grin
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#6
[It seems the DMV should be taking some responsibility in granting me ownership of a vehicle]
Yes indeed, its very surprising to me that the officials more or less say, k, we gave you official papers for a stolen car,
that you are not a thief and likely more PO's before you, is irrelevant. You payed for it but hey guess what, these papers have no legal value.
We did not do our work the way we should have back then as checking by hand was too much to process.
As we discovered computers are handy just last week and we shall take no blame and do what is "right".

Looks like lawyers got themselves a new source of income.

73 modified Grandé 351C. Almost done. 
71 429CJ. In progress
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#7
(12-25-2017, 12:53 PM)Fabrice Wrote: [It seems the DMV should be taking some responsibility in granting me ownership of a vehicle]
Yes indeed, its very surprising to me that the officials more or less say, k, we gave you official papers for a stolen car,
that you are not a thief and likely more PO's before you, is irrelevant. You payed for it but hey guess what, these papers have no legal value.
We did not do our work the way we should have back then as checking by hand was too much to process.
As we discovered computers are handy just last week and we shall take no blame and do what is "right".

Looks like lawyers got themselves a new source of income.


Yes, and in my personal experience (and I have had way to much experience I must say) the lawyers are the ONLY ones who make any money off these deals!

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#8
(12-25-2017, 12:53 PM)Fabrice Wrote: [It seems the DMV should be taking some responsibility in granting me ownership of a vehicle]
Yes indeed, its very surprising to me that the officials more or less say, k, we gave you official papers for a stolen car,
that you are not a thief and likely more PO's before you, is irrelevant. You payed for it but hey guess what, these papers have no legal value.
We did not do our work the way we should have back then as checking by hand was too much to process.
As we discovered computers are handy just last week and we shall take no blame and do what is "right".

Looks like lawyers got themselves a new source of income.

If you think title transfers are expensive and take too long now, just wait until Every Single title transfer has to go through an exhaustive history.  This type of fraud is vanishingly small compared to the total number of automotive title transfers that happen.  And with services like CarFax, it gets even smaller for newer cars.  I think this is a case of be careful of what you ask for.

---
Mike
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#9
Right. That's my problem. I am one of the .0000000000000001% of people in the whole wide world who has bought 99.9999999999999% of all of the 1971 to 1973 Mustangs (or so it seems to me). Now I find out I have a 99.9999999999999% chance that one of the .0000000000000000001% of cars in the whole wide world that I bought turns out to be a stolen vehicle, and it's going to cause me to have 100.00000000000000000% aggravation in my life that I never expected when I laid down $500 for the car and put $1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 dollars into it!!!!!!!!(and I know what all of you are saying, "I wish I had HIS problems!!! LOL

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#10
Well, we do pay the State to keep track of our cars so they are partially responsible.

So what would I do if my 13 year old Mustang was stolen and then found 37 years later? It's been totally modified, redone and driven by who knows who. The current owner dumped a BUNCH of money into it and didn't know it was stolen. They really thought they were buying a car on the up and up. Unless it has some extreme sentimental value to me (which is partially lost because of the restoration) I think I would just sell it back to the guy for whatever his insurance company gave him. That's kind of a win/win. I wouldn't feel right driving around in a car someone else, in good faith, paid to restore.

I wonder, if you had receipts to prove you replaced things on the car, like engines, transmissions, seats, door panels, etc, could you claim those are yours? Sure, the paint can't be removed but could you rightfully claim any removable parts that you have a receipt for? Interesting.

'Mike'
73 Convertible - 351C/4V CC heads/4bolt/forged flat tops/comp 270/rhodes/mallory unilite/tri-power/hookers/glasspacks/c6/3.50 limited slip/Gear Vendors/Global West sub frames, strut rods and shelby style traction bars/ Rear sway bar/tilt steering (not original)

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