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More lying, stupidity, and dishonesty on eBay
#1
Same seller, with the same smarmy description:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ford-Mustang-Fas...ars_Trucks
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Sportsroof advertised as a "Mustang Mach I & Fastback." Obviously resprayed (right down to the NACA scoop blankouts), ugly recovered interior, most of it looks SEM'ed.

Engine bay shot from here to China in flat black. Seller claims all-original. Hah.


http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ford-Mustang-MAC...ars_Trucks
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Another "show winner" Mustang from the same seller, proving only that your average con man seller thinks that authentication and value are justified by virtue of a $20 trophy handed to him by someone equally clueless as he.

This one has all the faults of the previous car, plus a painted rear bumper (guess it was REALLY rusty, wasn't it?), '69 Mach 1 raised lettering stuck on the trunklid, two-tone SEM'ed interior carries colors that look as if they were lifted from a late-1970's Lincoln (the bad part is that the interior color mix is the one modification on the car that I'm partial too - if only in appearance), seats look as if they were pulled from a junkyard from under a leaking 302 - and never cleaned, and the shock tower struts suggest that the floorpans are probably not in the pristine shape he thinks.

And - it wouldn't be a crazy seller without it - bat-sh!t crazy pricing on both cars, with "offer" pricing in the ad. What else is new?

-Kurt

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#2
Wow, testy much? sounds like it may be time to go to the garage and start putting that uber unobtainable NOS quarter panel onWink

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#3
All original, perfect stripe too...Dodgy
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#4
"Show quality driver condition" rofl Gotta love that stripe placement Dodgy

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#5
FYI - get a look at the lug nuts on the blue car's mis-matched rim. Between that, the nicked up interior, the smashed fan shroud, and the shock tower struts, I bet his claim of "therefore it is not rust at all in the body" is more or less accurate: No rust in the body panels, but just wait until you look at the floorpans, cowl, and anything else that did not receive the Macco spray job.

Mikes73;172091 Wrote:Wow, testy much? sounds like it may be time to go to the garage and start putting that uber unobtainable NOS quarter panel onWink

The panel couldn't come soon enough!

As for these two cars though, both of them have been on Craigslist before - with far less ridiculous pricing (though still over-the-top) and fewer outrageous claims.

Just the same, the owner just couldn't resist becoming a used-car salesman for his/her eBay auctions, apparently.

-Kurt

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How to buy a '71-73 Mustang:
Rule #1: Assume all classic car sellers are guilty until proven innocent.
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Rule #3: Buy from trustworthy people: Fellow forum members. Visit 7173Mustang's For Sale forum.
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#6
The color of the brown-ish car looks good to me but the car is wrong on many levels if he's trying to promote an original car.

Remember that on this site we welcome both the original and highly modified cars with the overall theme of build it how you like it. I prefer mostly stock builds but I can appreciate the time, effort and dollars others put into their cars to make them stand out from the originals.

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My Mustangs:
71 M-code Mach 1, Medium Blue/White Sport, 4R70W, 3L50, Factory Ram Air.
72 Q-code Mach 1, Pewter/Black Sport, 4-spd, 3L25.
65 Convertible, Britney Blue/White/White, more modified than original.
05 Convertible, Legend Lime/Tan/Tan, future classic??
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#7
Don65Stang;172125 Wrote:The color of the brown-ish car looks good to me but the car is wrong on many levels if he's trying to promote an original car.

Remember that on this site we welcome both the original and highly modified cars with the overall theme of build it how you like it. I prefer mostly stock builds but I can appreciate the time, effort and dollars others put into their cars to make them stand out from the originals.

Precisely why the ad is getting under my skin. If the cars were on their own, I'd hardly have a complaint. In fact, I'm rather keen on the blue/brown two-tone interior if it were in a bit better shape.

They're not perfect, but good looking mild customs.

The seller's cleverly choice of words and purposely obfuscated grammar is what ticks me off - for some reason, more so than other similar ads. Best part is when he says he wants to sell one or the other, but gives a price for both anyway.

-Kurt

Fellow claims that blue '73 is all-original, eh? Good - he has just treated himself to an unofficial MCA-based judging. Not totaling it, as I'm not spending the rest of my weekend on it:

INTERIOR:
Belts + interior = 1/4
Workmanship/cleanliness of above = 2/10
Weatherstrip/scuff plates/door hardware, etc = 3/8
Workmanship/cleanliness of above = 2/10
Kick panel color = 0/2
Workmanship/cleanliness of above = 0/2
Tire pressure decal = 1/1 (can't see it, giving benefit of doubt)
Sun visors = 2/2 (can't see it, giving benefit of doubt)
Workmanship/cleanliness of above = 0/1
Headliner = 2/2 (can't see it)
Workmanship/cleanliness of above = 3/5
Carpet = 4/5
Workmanship/cleanliness of above = 2/6
Windshield trim, inside mirror, visor brackets = 3/4
Workmanship/cleanliness of above = 2/2
Dash pad and cover = 0/3 - (it's a slip-on cover)
Door hardware, steering column, wheel = 3/4
Radio/speakers = 2/2
Painted surfaces / dash color = 0/2
Workmanship/cleanliness of interior = 1/9
Under dash area + console = 3/6
Workmanship/cleanliness = 1/4
Package tray/inner quarters = 0/4
Workmanship/cleanliness = 0/6
Additional point deductions = -5 of -5

EXTERIOR:
Body workmanship and fit + paint = 15/50
Stripes = 0/3
Grill and trim = 1/3 (standard all-chrome buckets)
Cleanliness of grill 2/3
Headlamps = 4/4
Grill lights 2/2
Rear lights 6/6
Workmanship of last two above = 3/5
Bumpers/guards = 1/5
Workmanship of above 1/4
Other chrome trim and moldings = 2/5
Antenna = 1/2
Workmanship up to bumpers = 3/5
Glass = 4/4
Workmanship = 3/5
Point deductions = -5 of -5

TRUNK - no points awarded for lack of any photos:
Mat = 0/5
Workmanship of above = 0/3
Spare tire = 0/3
Workmanship of above = 0/2
Jack = 0/3
Workmanship of above = 0/2
Painted areas = 0/3
Workmanship of above = 0/3
Trunk weatherstrip/jacking = 0/2
Workmanship of above = 0/2
Taillight body, gas filler neck = 0/4
Workmanship of above = 0/2
Point deductions = 0

ENGINE COMPARTMENT:
Battery carrier = 0/2
Workmanship of above = 0/1
Battery = 0/6 (mandatory 6-point deduction)
Workmanship of above = 0/1
Starter solenoid = 1/2
Workmanship of above = 1/1
Battery/starter cables =0/3
Workmanship of above = 0/2
Alternator/starter = 0/2
Workmanship of above = 1/2
Air cleaner = 3/4
Workmanship of above = 1/2
Engine components, painted = 2/6
Workmanship of above = 1/6
Engine components, natural = 3/5 (benefit of doubt)
Workmanship of above = 4/5 (benefit of doubt)
Carb and intake: 0/5
Workmanship of above = 1/2
Distributor and cap = 3/3 (benefit of doubt)
Workmanship of above = 2/2
Coil = 0/2
Workmanship of above = 1/1
Spark plugs/wires = 0/3
Workmanship of above = 0/2
Exhaust manifolds = 3/3 (can't see them, benefit of doubt)
Workmanship of above = 2/2
Fuel lines = 0/2
Workmanship of above = 0/1
Fuel pump = 3/3 (benefit of doubt)
Workmanship of above = 2/2
Oil filter 2/2 (benefit of doubt)
Workmanship of above = 1/1
AC + fan clutch = 0/3
Workmanship of above = 0/2
Power steering = 2/2 (benefit of doubt)
Workmanship of above = 2/2
Emissions = 3/6
Workmanship of above = 1/3
Fender and inner fender bolts = 0/3
Workmanship of above = 0/2
Horns = 0/2
Workmanship of above = 0/1
Windshield washer system = 1/2 (I don't see the hose routing to the hood)
Workmanship of above = 0/2
Firewall, inner fenders, shock tower braces = 0/3
Sealant = 2/2 (benefit of doubt)
General workmanship of items above = 0/4
Underside of hood color = 0/2
Workmanship of above = 1/2
Hood release, latch, latch support = 0/2
Workmanship of above = 0/2
Hood hinges = 1/2
Workmanship of above = 1/2
Decals = 1/3
Voltage regulator = 2/2
Workmanship of above = 1/1
Wiring = 1/3
Workmanship of above = 1/2
Master cylinder/brake lines = 2/3
Workmanship of above = 1/2
Radiator/hoses/clamps = 2/6
Workmanship of above = 2/4
Radiator cap = 0/1
Workmanship of above = 0/1
Heater hoses/clamps = 3/3 (benefit of doubt)
Workmanship of above = 2/2
Belts = 0/3
Workmanship of above = 0/1
Aluminum engine ID tag = 0/1
Point deductions = -5 of -5

UNDERCARRIAGE (no photos, no points):
Undercoating = 0/20
Workmanship = 0/15
Wheelwells = 0/5
Workmanship of above = 0/8
Brake lines = 0/2
Workmanship of above = 0/1
Flexible brake lines = 0/2
Workmanship of above = 0/1
Gas tank = 0/2
Workmanship of above = 0/3
Suspension/steering = 0/10
Workmanship of above = 0/8
Brakes = 0/8
Workmanship of above = 0/6
Transmission/linkage = 0/4
Workmanship of above = 0/3
Transmission cross brace = 0/2
Workmanship of above = 0/1
Driveshaft = 0/3
Workmanship of above = 0/2
Third member = 0/4
Workmanship of above = 0/3
Rear end housing = 0/2
Workmanship of above = 0/2
Shock absorbers = 0/4
Mandatory 2-point deduction = -2
Workmanship 0/2
Wheels = 0/5
Hubcaps = 0/5
Tires = 0/5
Exhaust = 0/8
Workmanship of above = 0/8
Grommets, bolts, etc = 1/4
Workmanship of above = 0/2
Point deductions = -5 of -5

-Kurt

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How to buy a '71-73 Mustang:
Rule #1: Assume all classic car sellers are guilty until proven innocent.
Rule #2: No classic car dealer is ever innocent; thus, they are all guilty.
Rule #3: Buy from trustworthy people: Fellow forum members. Visit 7173Mustang's For Sale forum.
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#8
The seller does claim the are basically original. It's a lie.

'Mike'
73 Convertible - 351C/4V CC heads/4bolt/forged flat tops/comp 270/rhodes/mallory unilite/tri-power/hookers/glasspacks/c6/3.50 limited slip/Gear Vendors/Global West sub frames, strut rods and shelby style traction bars/ Rear sway bar/tilt steering (not original)

Pics of modifications included in:
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#9
on the brown car I like the Rivets on the door panel holding the window felt beltline in place, that's how I did my car instead of the staples, but I painted them black so you can't see them.

now if these 2 cars are show quality, then I guess my Mustang should be trailer queen!!

will e;172133 Wrote:The seller does claim the are basically original. It's a lie.

a used car salesman. its all original, never touched!!

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#10
Kurt, I feel your pain with the wording of the ads and completely agree. . If my post came across as heavy-handed toward you that was not the intent. Your creative thread title is sure to get a lot of views. Sometimes when calling a spade a spade can open the door to other less constructive posts that don't promote our hobby or cars so I just thought it was a good place to put that reminder for everyone in case the thread started to go sour. Just using a little preemptive moderator privilege. Keep up the good work.

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My Mustangs:
71 M-code Mach 1, Medium Blue/White Sport, 4R70W, 3L50, Factory Ram Air.
72 Q-code Mach 1, Pewter/Black Sport, 4-spd, 3L25.
65 Convertible, Britney Blue/White/White, more modified than original.
05 Convertible, Legend Lime/Tan/Tan, future classic??
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