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hood blackout template
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Is the correct template for the hood blackout still being sold from Graphics Express? The part #841-ST is the one I found there. Thank's

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(01-02-2019, 03:42 PM)jpaz Wrote: Is the correct template for the hood blackout still being sold from Graphics Express? The part #841-ST is the one I found there. Thank's

I would call them. I think that is the one I used, BUT there is differing opinions on whether it is actually as correct as they claim.  Look at David's (Carolina_Mountain_Man) picture of his original hood. There was a post just recently on hood black-out shape and choice of paint, textured or non-textured, do a search.
Also, many have the distance from the front lip wrong, me included. It should be 2" I believe. From the edges of the hood, the template will be 6" in to the 1/4" stripe, but David's looks to be more like 5" in from the edges.
I'm sure David or others will add to this. My paint choice was SEM Hot Rod Black, which is standing up very well and that's without the Hot Rod Clear top coat.
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Well, I have searched a bunch of different threads and have found a lot of great info. I also found the old thread that you did about it. Was just wondering if anyone had any other updates on the pattern, or if someone had a template of David’s hood.
I know the Mustang monthly add about placement is wrong.
I sent my painter pics of David’s hood and the one from the 429 mega site, as well as a few more that I found.
Are you happy with the pattern you have? I know your pattern is back to far from the front but how about the shape?

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(01-02-2019, 03:42 PM)jpaz Wrote: Is the correct template for the hood blackout still being sold from Graphics Express? The part #841-ST is the one I found there. Thank's

It’s close... but not quite perfect... We had to cut the stencil and manipulate to fit the hood properly. It will work though...
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jpaz,  without a "Rub Off" from an original Tu-Tone hood such as David's 12,000 mile 73 Mach1, the template from Graphics Express is probably going to be your 2nd  best option.
We had a forum member who is a original owner of a  71 J code Mach 1. His hood was used for the basis of the tutone template available from Graphic Express. A couple of their employees drove from Graphics Express to Kitt's location and spent several hours measuring and photographing his hood Tu-Tone paint layout.
Just keep in mind as David posted, your going to see variances as most of these operations on the assembly line were done in seconds. These were not considered Collectible cars or any thing special in the 70's. As far as the line worker was concerned he could of just as well been placing a stripe or accent paint on a Pinto or a pickup truck!
I have been told that Graphic Express illustration which shows a 73 Mach 1 is a stock photo and not representative of the actual product.

    https://www.graphic-express.com/ford-mot...l-kit.html

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(01-03-2019, 01:41 AM)secluff Wrote: jpaz,  without a "Rub Off" from an original Tu-Tone hood such as David's 12,000 mile 73 Mach1, the template from Graphics Express is probably going to be your 2nd  best option.
We had a forum member who is a original owner of a  71 J code Mach 1. His hood was used for the basis of the tutone template available from Graphic Express. A couple of their employees drove from Graphics Express to Kitt's location and spent several hours measuring and photographing his hood Tu-Tone paint layout.
Just keep in mind as David posted, your going to see variances as most of these operations on the assembly line were done in seconds. These were not considered Collectible cars or any thing special in the 70's. As far as the line worker was concerned he could of just as well been placing a stripe or accent paint on a Pinto or a pickup truck!
I have been told that Graphic Express illustration which shows a 73 Mach 1 is a stock photo and not repesenitivensenitive of the actual product.

    https://www.graphic-express.com/ford-mot...l-kit.html
Yes secluff, I have read all thru the thread about the stencil that Kitt supplied from his j code. I did notice that the pictures depicting the hood stencil kit from Graphic Express doesn’t look right. Glad to hear that those pictures are not the actual pattern. 
My car is not a show only car, so it doesn’t have to be perfect. I know the line workers only had a very short time to apply the hood treatment and it’s amazing how well they were able to do it. I just want it to be as close as possible and centered on the hood. Thanks for all the info!

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(01-03-2019, 12:38 AM)7173Vert Wrote:
(01-02-2019, 03:42 PM)jpaz Wrote: Is the correct template for the hood blackout still being sold from Graphics Express? The part #841-ST is the one I found there. Thank's

It’s close... but not quite perfect... We had to cut the stencil and manipulate to fit the hood properly. It will work though...
Thanks 7173Vert, I was wondering if you used this template. I remember all the problems that you had with your hood blackout. As long as the pattern is pretty close, I will have my painter use this template. I have already told him to make sure that the pattern gets put 2” back from the leading edge of hood and centered. I also sent him pictures of David’s hood and the yellow hood from the 429 mega site. 
So if this was close enough for you, then it’s definitely good enough for me. Thanks again!

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I can’t believe that damn Mustang Monthly article is still out there! I was asking my painter about the hood blackout pattern yesterday. He said that he used a pattern from a Mustang monthly article and I said WHAT? I know that is wrong, so I made sure and looked up everything I could read about it. 
 I  sent him some  pictures of David’s original 73 hood, and others that I know are correct. I even found a pic of Kitts J code, the one the Graphics Express template was made from. He said that the pattern he has looks just like the pictures I sent him. He hasn’t done a 71-73 hood for a couple years, so he was going to look for some pics of the last one he did. I sent him a picture of the article that mm put out there and told him if he was going by that, then it’s wrong. I’m waiting to hear back from him about it today. I figured I would make sure about this before he painted it to save us some headache’s, as it should be getting close to being painted. I sure wish that stupid mm article would just go away! Looks like it almost claimed another victim. Thanks to all of you guys who have made sure that this problem can be found out by others like me.

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(01-03-2019, 02:44 AM)jpaz Wrote:
(01-03-2019, 12:38 AM)7173Vert Wrote:
(01-02-2019, 03:42 PM)jpaz Wrote: Is the correct template for the hood blackout still being sold from Graphics Express? The part #841-ST is the one I found there. Thank's

It’s close... but not quite perfect... We had to cut the stencil and manipulate to fit the hood properly. It will work though...
Thanks 7173Vert, I was wondering if you used this template. I remember all the problems that you had with your hood blackout. As long as the pattern is pretty close, I will have my painter use this template. I have already told him to make sure that the pattern gets put 2” back from the leading edge of hood and centered. I also sent him pictures of David’s hood and the yellow hood from the 429 mega site. 
So if this was close enough for you, then it’s definitely good enough for me. Thanks again!

1 7/8” is the correct measurement... I know because my painter had to do the hood three times and truth be told, he still left it 3/16” to short. I finally gave up and took the car home... For the $$$ I spent, it should have been perfect but the lesson I learned during my restoration was that although my painter was top notch in the application field, following a customer’s Instruction’s was not his best attribute. The template works fine but the problem area is the width (side to side) of the supplied template, in order to properly have the top (windshield) of the paint line up properly.
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(01-03-2019, 10:11 AM)7173Vert Wrote:
(01-03-2019, 02:44 AM)jpaz Wrote:
(01-03-2019, 12:38 AM)7173Vert Wrote: It’s close... but not quite perfect... We had to cut the stencil and manipulate to fit the hood properly. It will work though...
Thanks 7173Vert, I was wondering if you used this template. I remember all the problems that you had with your hood blackout. As long as the pattern is pretty close, I will have my painter use this template. I have already told him to make sure that the pattern gets put 2” back from the leading edge of hood and centered. I also sent him pictures of David’s hood and the yellow hood from the 429 mega site. 
So if this was close enough for you, then it’s definitely good enough for me. Thanks again!

1 7/8” is the correct measurement... I know because my painter had to do the hood three times and truth be told, he still left it 3/16” to short. I finally gave up and took the car home... For the $$$ I spent, it should have been perfect but the lesson I learned during my restoration was that although my painter was top notch in the application field, following a customer’s Instruction’s was not his best attribute. The template works fine but the problem area is the width (side to side) of the supplied template, in order to properly have the top (windshield) of the paint line up properly.
Ok, I will definitely discuss this with him. Thanks again

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