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"Hi-Tech"...or nostalgic?
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It strikes me a little odd that as technology improves in our lives in dramatic leaps and bounds every day, that the design and user-interface of some things won't sell well to the general public unless it reflects some romantic notion of what we liked years ago.
Of course, not everything is like this: Cell phones advance so much with each generation that there is typically nothing about the previous gen's design that is familiar withen even a single year.
My cell phone that I had just a year ago, compared to my current one seems somehow 10 years out of date already!

But with cars, its a little different: In particular, I am referring to hood scoops specifically.
Back when scoops became the "rage" amongst performance cars (50s-60s), the function was elegant yet simple: A big hole in the hood with a scoopt that fed cold, outside air directly into the carb(s) underneath the hole. The scoops didn't get there because they looked good: They got there because it was the most expediaent way to get the cold air into the engine. Function trumped style, as it always should...but it doesn't sem that way today.
Today's "muscle cars" are festooned with as many scoops as the designers can legitimately put on them, but what it takes to make them work is ridiculous in some cases.
Because of modern fuel injection, a simple hood scoop in the middle of the hood is actually a pretty inconvenient place to get cold air from, but the manufacturers will ise a lot of creative plumbing to get them to work.
Clearly, air from the grille-area is the most convenient for today's cars and most standard cars get all thier from there or under the bumper.
But performance geeks (like us!) like the old-style "look" of performance so they make the old style somehow fit with new tech.

No point to be made, really. Just an observation.
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#2
I'll go along with that Kit.

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#3
Man, I dig scoops. Rephrase: I like scoops that compliment a car.
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#4
Challenger Srt8 hellcat would be a good example of that. It sucks cold air from the grill the logical place But it still has a hood scoop that is really only there for cool factor.

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Kit Sullivan;194727 Wrote:It strikes me a little odd that as technology improves in our lives in dramatic leaps and bounds every day, that the design and user-interface of some things won't sell well to the general public unless it reflects some romantic notion of what we liked years ago.
Of course, not everything is like this: Cell phones advance so much with each generation that there is typically nothing about the previous gen's design that is familiar withen even a single year.
My cell phone that I had just a year ago, compared to my current one seems somehow 10 years out of date already!

But with cars, its a little different: In particular, I am referring to hood scoops specifically.
Back when scoops became the "rage" amongst performance cars (50s-60s), the function was elegant yet simple: A big hole in the hood with a scoopt that fed cold, outside air directly into the carb(s) underneath the hole. The scoops didn't get there because they looked good: They got there because it was the most expediaent way to get the cold air into the engine. Function trumped style, as it always should...but it doesn't sem that way today.
Today's "muscle cars" are festooned with as many scoops as the designers can legitimately put on them, but what it takes to make them work is ridiculous in some cases.
Because of modern fuel injection, a simple hood scoop in the middle of the hood is actually a pretty inconvenient place to get cold air from, but the manufacturers will ise a lot of creative plumbing to get them to work.
Clearly, air from the grille-area is the most convenient for today's cars and most standard cars get all thier from there or under the bumper.
But performance geeks (like us!) like the old-style "look" of performance so they make the old style somehow fit with new tech.

No point to be made, really. Just an observation.

right on w/that. Instead of replacing my funky 650 holley and from the 2 barrel intake manifold went w/an efi w/700 carb. Having the little extra hp w/the ram air might look at an air gap 4 barrel intake manifold for i belive a little more hp but ever adding an intercooled turbo would make the ram air obsolete but may leave it for cosmetic

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I think there's a simple formula regarding intake "scoops:" Anything that provides outside air to the engine, needs to be as high as possible... and all others, wherever design permits.

If you're sucking [or forcing] air into the engine, it needs to be as high as possible, because of the human factor - i.e., the "dumb-ass" propensity to drive a car into water that's too deep for it. Having an air intake down low is not a good design, as driving through a submerged area in even just a few inches of water can have the engine hydrolocked in short order. (It happens all the time in West Texas because we have no active underground drainage)

Forced-air brake ducts, radiator/condenser/intercooler-type openings, or even aerodynamic vents are not such a big deal, and look good when integrated into the overall design.

Sure, there's probably some nostalgia involved in the decision for a big ol' manly hood intake, but I still think the function trumps the form in that case.

Oh, and I'll put down money that my cell phone is the most out-dated of them all. I'm still using a 5-year-old Sanyo flip-phone. I can't take my phone into work with me after all - and I'm too cheap, frugal, practical, or whatever, to pay for a monster data plan I can't really use... not to mention a $200+ phone that's just going to sit in the center console and burn up in the West Texas heat for 10 hours a day. That cuts into 'The Mustang Fund,' and we can't be having that. Wink Big Grin

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Mister 4x4;194874 Wrote:I think there's a simple formula regarding intake "scoops:" Anything that provides outside air to the engine, needs to be as high as possible... and all others, wherever design permits.

If you're sucking [or forcing] air into the engine, it needs to be as high as possible, because of the human factor - i.e., the "dumb-ass" propensity to drive a car into water that's too deep for it. Having an air intake down low is not a good design, as driving through a submerged area in even just a few inches of water can have the engine hydrolocked in short order. (It happens all the time in West Texas because we have no active underground drainage)

Forced-air brake ducts, radiator/condenser/intercooler-type openings, or even aerodynamic vents are not such a big deal, and look good when integrated into the overall design.

Sure, there's probably some nostalgia involved in the decision for a big ol' manly hood intake, but I still think the function trumps the form in that case.

Oh, and I'll put down money that my cell phone is the most out-dated of them all. I'm still using a 5-year-old Sanyo flip-phone. I can't take my phone into work with me after all - and I'm too cheap, frugal, practical, or whatever, to pay for a monster data plan I can't really use... not to mention a $200+ phone that's just going to sit in the center console and burn up in the West Texas heat for 10 hours a day. That cuts into 'The Mustang Fund,' and we can't be having that. Wink Big Grin

same here w/my samsung flip cell from verizon. Already lost the battery cover but the mrs talking me into a qvc special ie 7 inch acer w.all the bells and whistkes to make me as miserable as she is w/hers

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