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Fabrice's 429CJ 71 project
I know that two steps backwards feeling Fabrice. My molded screw hole at rear of black glove box front have snapped.

Looking at your work last weekend i saw you tackle the ashtray. Just wondered why you didnt attempt to remove the top chrome piece. I did attempt mine and failed. Those 4 lugs inside the ashtray are stronger than they look.

Steve
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(06-09-2019, 03:31 PM)Pegleg Wrote: I know that two steps backwards feeling Fabrice. My  molded screw hole at rear of black glove box front have snapped.

Looking at your work last weekend i saw you tackle the ashtray. Just wondered why you didnt attempt to remove the top chrome piece. I did attempt mine and failed. Those 4 lugs inside the ashtray are stronger than they look.

I hate when stuff brakes on me, especially when I'm careful. These screws and clips were just so weak I wonder how long it would have take for them to break alone.

For the ashtray, the top/cap is looking fine now, rust was only on mechanism which is now restored and greased. It's the insert, the actual ashtray that you can take out, that was pitted beyond repair, I saw on one place the rust devoured the metal so much I could see the plating from the other side! Thats the part I will replace by a new/better one eventually.
There are 4 bits of metal pressed, but they didn't look like a good idea to play with on mine. If you do it this way on yours, please send some picts.
That will not really change anything for this one, but as I want go take a look at my 73's as well, much less rusted, It might come handy if I could re-plate only the bottom.

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(06-09-2019, 05:52 PM)Fabrice Wrote:
(06-09-2019, 03:31 PM)Pegleg Wrote: I know that two steps backwards feeling Fabrice. My  molded screw hole at rear of black glove box front have snapped.

Looking at your work last weekend i saw you tackle the ashtray. Just wondered why you didnt attempt to remove the top chrome piece. I did attempt mine and failed. Those 4 lugs inside the ashtray are stronger than they look.

I hate when stuff brakes on me, especially when I'm careful. These screws and clips were just so weak I wonder how long it would have take for them to break alone.

For the ashtray, the top/cap is looking fine now, rust was only on mechanism which is now restored and greased. It's the insert, the actual ashtray that you can take out, that was pitted beyond repair, I saw on one place the rust devoured the metal so much I could see the plating from the other side! Thats the part I will replace by a new/better one eventually.
There are 4 bits of metal pressed, but they didn't look like a good idea to play with on mine. If you do it this way on yours, please send some picts.
That will not really change anything for this one, but as I want go take a look at my 73's as well, much less rusted, It might come handy if I could re-plate only the bottom.

I had to go same route as you for rear ashtray and soak it in sauce because the chrome top was bending as i tried to remove it. If i had carried on i know it would have broken.

However, the lid was a differant story. The two parts just clip together and easily seperated. I then drilled out the rivets and used a pair of grips to remove the hinge pin.

I am working on both front and back ashtrays. Thanks to Don, Ohio Mustang, i bought a replacement front ashtray(dont think rear is available yet). There are a few more parts to the front ashtray. First off i drilled out the rivets that hold the front of the drawer then i pried the outer runner from the inner runner. I then drilled out the rest of the rivets from both the runners and removed the 2 plastic plugs. They are 90% ready for plating. I just have to clean in the hard to reach places.

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Still looking for the 4th ball bearing that rolled across the kitchen floor

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@Pegleg
I don't have these. The one on the left I have and are ok, and the ashtray itself, now restored but pitted.
The rest I don't have. Is it may be because it's a coupe vs faskback? My 73, also doesn't have these, it's 2 little clips that sandwich the plastic. No guide.
Never seen these parts.

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As it was a long weekend here, guess what I did?

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Not in the chronological order of this update, worked on the fender again, first it's been water sanded, then as weather was nice, a filler primer was sprayed and later on after 4 hours, started bring some bondo on the many places not looking straight, then 1 hour later, roughtly sculpted it to bring to a minimum, I'll continue next weekend on the back, then prime again. I'll probably repeat this a few times till I have the shape ok and not kilos of bondo.

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In between, welded the headlight bucket before start plate it and fixed the suspension plate. The corner was damaged (see middle) so reconstructed it using both my new friends: the copper helper and the "cone" drill. The nice thing about the copper thingy, aside really sucking the heat, is that the back of the weld remains level to plate, flat. I think this will come very handy many times. If you weld and don't have one of these, they are really worth the 30 buxx.

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As I might have plated one or two items in past months, I saw my anodes were not only missing a few inches (they were both same as the new bit), they are now razor blade thin! Smile
So cut a new bit to use it today. If you ever do zinc plating one day, get yourself one of these plates (1 meter x 20 cm x 1.1 thick) vs boats anodes or these expensive super thin ones you see on ebay. Not only its much cheaper, its also super handy to cut out whatever shape you need to get nice coverage in hard to reach places. The older ones are reused in smaller bits for that. No waste, super results.

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Now becoming expert in headlights brackets (read: tired doing these same parts over and over), I did de-rust and plate all the parts but one for this side. Its ready, waiting in soda but as it needs at least 2 hours, I'll do it tomorrow.
The lower plate is now probably the most pitted rust free bling bling plate on the planet Big Grin
By the way, if you ever are on table with a hard purist, the MCA judge type, ask him how to tell the diff between headlights brackets from 71 vs 73. The 73 has a small hole in the middle on the lower plate. This hole is for the pin that is part of the headlights harness. It keeps the connector at bulb steady. In 71 no hole. Lets hope he doesn't ask you about 72's unless you know if there's a hole or not! Big Grin

Will epoxy spray these next weekend and start handle the last one...

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that darn ball bearing ! keep up the great work !
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Thats some serious pitting Fabrice. I am sure nobody will even know once you have weaved your magic.

I noticed you use yellow epoxy primer. Any reason why you use yellow? or did i mis-read you previous post a week or two ago?

Once i have zinc plated the hinge on the ashtray i wil re-assemble it and post a picture. Still unsure how best to deal with the hinge pin going forward as the diameter of the pin is determined by the rounded pieces they slot into and a zinc plate may be too thick to allow free movement of the lid. I may need to invest in a micrometer to get the diameter of the pin and try and find a miller or chromed replacement.
The chrome top on the ashtray itself that has the four clips holding it in place is so tough to remove for two reasons. Firstly you cant get any purchase behind the clips so you cant pry them up. Secondly if you look on the outside of the ashtray you will see a small dent where the casing was dented to tighten the casing to the chrome top so both ashtray and chrome top come free when you pull out the ashtray to empty it. With the ashtray being so small i imagine it would have been pulled out and emptied on a regular basis. 5 or 6 cigarette butts and its full
Maybe the ashtrays are different fastback/coupe/year. Someone may be able to shed some light on the differences

Steve
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(06-12-2019, 03:29 PM)Pegleg Wrote: Thats some serious pitting Fabrice. I am sure nobody will even know once you have weaved your magic.

I noticed you use yellow epoxy primer. Any reason why you use yellow? or did i mis-read you previous post a week or two ago?

Once i have zinc plated the hinge on the ashtray i wil re-assemble it and post a picture.
The pits are rust free and zinc protected now, after a thick coat of epoxy and filler primer, bits of sanding, color and coat, they'll belong to the past Wink

I use yellow because I was using white/greyish before and changed brand (used the last bits of the whitish on the inside), discovered that its really handy when you sand your primer, as you see right away when you're having a high (time to stop), revealing the orange bellow the grey primer. Now I only want orange or red. I never spray color on epoxy and always prime before colour, either thin primer or filler or both that I also usually water fine sanded so it feels like silk to the finger tips. Just old monkey habits, I'm sure blue or black would do just fine Big Grin

Yes, please do, really curious about the results you got. Mine as said was corroded so bad I could see the nickel under the chrome on the other side Smile
The 4 lips, didn't inspired me to even try loose it up. As said, if i find a new one, I'll replace it, or if I'm bored to death one day and don't have one yet, make one myself with a plywood shape and press it out of a sheet of 0.3 mm aluminium.

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Rain till half in the afternoon Sad
So after last bondo/sanding session on my fender, no way to spray and had to stop working on it.
Weather should be dry tomorrow so I'll hopefully be able to spray new filler on the fender, sand, repeat...

Finished zinc the last headlights bracket part, but no picts ( mac Mojave deleted them during import. If you're on mac and not yet on Mojave, whatever MasOS you run, it's better than this misery full of bugs, do not update unless you really can't avoid it)

Anyway, went pick my next vicitims.

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So next on the todo is the bumper assembly,
I saw there was something wrong for a while, as the bumper wasn't aligned properly to the fenders, found out that the front kiss it took long ago, was not fully repaired. The bumper brackets were in need of a small massage, good to recover +- an inch over the width of the car. One of the guys who repaired the car long ago, thought washers added by the nuts would do just fine and there was no need to correct the brackets that were bended a bit at the end where they hold the bumper. The car rail and brackets bases were fine, which is a relief.

So annoyed my neighbours once more with nice and loud metal sounds to correct these Smile

Despite some heat and bits of force the huge j-nuts wouldn't want to let go. As the bolts themselves were having butchered heads and the j-nuts corroded to death, I've cut everything. I knew this already and have a replacement kit in house for this later.

The hammering on multiple parts took a while, so end of the day had only half paint free, half in de-rust bath.
I hope to have at least 2 or 3 ready for some epoxy tomorrow together with other parts waiting...

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I've found 2 strangers. Looks like some extra lights brackets or something else?? Like guards? I know the hardware used wasn't original, (nuts were used as spacers to level with the bracket fold and not even same on both sides). They are also bended, prolly to hold the lights or guards at the right angle despite the wrong hardware. I dought these are originals. Are they?
Anyone knows?

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Thanks to rain coming every 1 or 2 hours, couldn't spray anything that doesn't dry fast like the planned epoxy.

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But was able to resume work on the fender and sprayed another layer. Its now starting to look better. 90% of the upper, front and engine side is near where I want it, tho water sanding it will tell me more soon. Next iteration focus will go on the lowest part where its nowhere near where I want it to be. Might work on it in the eves this week as nice weather is announced.

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With that bracket done, is the 73 driver side headlight bracket done. I have to start the passenger side, but there were enough candidates to work on to not add to the mess...
So next was the licence plate holder and while waiting on the primer to dry, re-plated its hardware that stayed in bath for a couple of days.

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Corroded and worned, after a massage and few electrons, got it ready to join the to be epoxied parts club.

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One of the parts I wish I had a sandblasting solution at home for. Thick layer of rust to get rid of and they do not need to be nice.
A cabine, even small, isn't possible space wise for me, so thinking to buy some soda gun.
Anyone has/use one of these? https://valkenpower.com/en-gb/soda-blasting-gun.html
Is it crappy or really usable?

Anyway, got the most damaged one paint and rust free, and as it was as long as my biggest plating container length even been able to plate it.
And so will the other, once I get it in a better state (diff is noticeable on pict)

All with all, weekends are hard work Big Grin
Working on the fender reminded me once more why a good body/paint job cost so much. Amazing the time that goes into these things.

To be continued...

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There's a portable sand blasting system that only requires an air compressor and a bucket of sand; it basically is the gun and a vacuum hose going to the sand bucket. I used it quite a bit until I figured out how to fit a whole harness in the blasting cabinet I also had. Unfortunately, it is packed away so i can't get you a model number.

Let me check your shorts!
http://midlifeharness.com

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