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Engine Building Advice Needed
#1
Hey Everyone,

It was unseasonably warm last weekend, so I had a chance to back the mustang out and let it run for a while. Long story short, the car needs a major tune up, and I need to start thinking about rebuilding/replacing the current engine soon.

The car isn't special in terms of rarity, so I'm not opposed to replacing the tired 302 that's in it now. My thoughts are to find a used 351w block and build an engine. Here's my problem: I've never built an engine before.

I've done some basic stuff before (replaced carburetors, throttle bodies, valve covers, etc) but I've never removed a piston, or even taken the heads off of an engine.

I have a couple really good articles published in various magazines for doing some basic tear-down and rebuilds. I also have a book on building small block ford engines. These are all great for theoretical purposes, but really getting in there is a completely different animal.

So here are my questions I'm hoping you guys can help me with: I would really like to build a reliable mild stroker, I'm thinking the 396 variety. I would need to find a machine shop here in central Iowa to prepare the block, but after that, do you think it's too much of a chore for a 1st time engine builder to tackle a stroker build? I'd like to keep the build between $2000-3000. Is realistic for a build like this? Are there parts or brands that you can recommend? How about tools -- What should I buy vs. renting when I need them?

Any and all advice you guys have for me is great. This will really be a project I'd be tackling by myself, as none of my friends are really into cars (although I'm sure I could get their help for some manual labor stuff).
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#2
Unless you are looking for the so called PLEASURE of 'building" it yourself, I strongly recommend you simply purchase a complete stroker from one of the reputable shops. They will sometimes dyno it for you and even provide a warranty.

Believe me, it will be far, far cheaper in the long run. I am currently putting together a 545 and when I add up the parts and the machine work, I am about several thousand dollars over what I could have gotten the motor for by ordering it from a reliable shop that does that type motor.

Just my $.02.

BT

Do the RIGHT thing.
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#3
X 2 on that and a lot less headaches along the way.
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#4
Do you guys think $2000-3000 can get me what I'm looking for from a shop?
Tnfastbk;13138 Wrote:X 2 on that and a lot less headaches along the way.

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aasukisuki;13143 Wrote:Do you guys think $2000-3000 can get me what I'm looking for from a shop?
Tnfastbk;13138 Wrote:X 2 on that and a lot less headaches along the way.

I don't see a way to get everything you need for $3,000.00. The stroker kit itself is about $1000. You still need a useable block, cam, lifters, timing set, oil pump, oil pan, distributor, headers, intake, carb, gaskets, machine work on block, balance the assembly, and buy a good set of heads and rocker arms.

Chuck

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c9zx;13145 Wrote:
aasukisuki;13143 Wrote:Do you guys think $2000-3000 can get me what I'm looking for from a shop?
Tnfastbk;13138 Wrote:X 2 on that and a lot less headaches along the way.

I don't see a way to get everything you need for $3,000.00. The stroker kit itself is about $1000. You still need a useable block, cam, lifters, timing set, oil pump, oil pan, distributor, headers, intake, carb, gaskets, machine work on block, balance the assembly, and buy a good set of heads and rocker arms.

Chuck

I've sent a local machine shop an email to get some ideas. I was originally thinking if I was going to build it myself to just start with a 351W block. However, If I'm going to have a shop do it, maybe I'll just see if they can use the 302 that's in it, and do a 331 stroker or just a rebuild. I'm not going to be racing or anything. I'd just like a reliable engine that I could take cross country and has a little more zip than what it has right now.

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#7
First of all, I believe you are a bit optimistic with the 2K - 3K for a build. Machine shop costs can easily reach that figure and that is not counting parts.

Having said that, JEGS offer what appears to be a nice Base 347 for an advertised price of $3,299.99. This includes everything except for the carb, water and fuel pumps, distributor, wires and coil, fuel line and balancer. For an additional $1600 ($4899.99), they will add an Edelbrock 600cfm carb, water and fuel pumps, MSD Distributor, wires and coil, fuel line and premium balancer. Truck freight would be $159 or $189, respectively.

On the other hand, Coast High performance can provide a number of strokers that might suit your needs. See the link below:

http://www.coasthigh.com/SearchResults.a...rd+engines

This is just a cursory look on my part. I know there are many other options out there.

Hope this helps.

BT

Do the RIGHT thing.
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http://www.usamotorsupply.com/crate-engi...te-engines
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#9
Like I said earlier, I really have no experience with this, so the 2-3K number is just what seemed reasonable to me, but obviously if it can't be done for that, then I'll need to adjust my thinking.
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#10
Are sure the engine needs a rebuild? An out of tune engine usually will sound or feel like its worn out. It may jsut need a tune up and a few coats of paint.
Some bolt on stuff will get you some performance and still cruise nice.

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