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Chains, engine hoist...
#1
As the engine hoists I can rent near my home are on the weak and small side for my 429.
as I also want to get the trans out as well I saw in total days per time, I'd be just bits cheaper than buying a safe one.

So was looking at this baby..
https://www.vocor.nl/heffen-en-hijsen/15...00124.html

its dutch: it says 
The lifting arm is adjustable from 1050 to 1590mm (41.3 to 62.6 inch )
I see on pict on most extended the capacity goes down to 1 ton, which is enough
and arm can go up to 2,36 meter high (92.91 inch). 
With the right chain length that also should do it I think.


However this thing isn't delivered with chains or anything but a hook.
found a place to buy in all kinds
https://www.manutan.nl/nl/mnl/stalen-ket...t-11200-kg
and stuffs to secure the chain
https://www.manutan.nl/nl/mnl/harpsluiti...ot-2000-kg

I have not yet found here some adapter to change the angle load (too expensive if comes from the states). So for now its all about doing it with chains.
I would like to know if you guys have one, how should the connection chains to the hook (if you use chains of course)
The plan being to have the engine on chain at the four corners, I also wonder what is smarter: 4 chains and using the prev link a way to adjust their length
or if I should better take 2 longer chains and secure them in the middle at the hook?

Also, as the plan is to get the trans out too, as I don't see how i could keep the car safely 1/2 meter higher without investing in other lift alternatives.
If you have done it, tips welcome.

EDIT: found one here, I was just not searching using the right term..
https://www.gereedschapbestellen.nl/werk...aar-450-kg

73 modified Grandé 351C. Almost done. 
71 429CJ. In progress
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#2
That looks like it should do the job. Buying one makes a lot of sense. Whenever you rent something there is always the feeling of needing to hurry and finish the job, when you own it no more pressure, and you can take your time.

I've had mine for more than 30 years, don't use it that often, but when I need it I don't have to worry about how I'm going to get the job done. I partially dismantle mine and store it in the corner when not in use.



“If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough.”
--Albert Einstein
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#3
I’d buy one for sure, like Don said, would hate to have to rush. Have you looked for second hand ones?
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(09-20-2018, 01:11 PM)Don C Wrote: That looks like it should do the job. Buying one makes a lot of sense. Whenever you rent something there is always the feeling of needing to hurry and finish the job, when you own it no more pressure, and you can take your time.

I've had mine for more than 30 years, don't use it that often, but when I need it I don't have to worry about how I'm going to get the job done. I partially dismantle mine and store it in the corner when not in use.

Yes my thought. This one can be also folded for the time I will use it and totally brought back to just a pile of tubes when it needs be put in a long sleeping period.
I don't have the room to keep it in a corner for long, got only 4 corners in my relatively small garage and they already host loads of "I_might_need_you_again_one day" kind of stuffs Smile


About the chains? Better 4 or 2 long ones you think? I see they are sold per meter.

(09-20-2018, 01:25 PM)Vinnie Wrote: I’d buy one for sure, like Don said, would hate to have to rush. Have you looked for second hand ones?

Yes and no, found second hands, but too small and not that much cheaper vs a new one. The thing about the 2 vs 1 tons isn't just the load. 1 ton would be enough but the 2 tons version has much wider and longer legs, the extra triangle stabilise/reinforce it also more. Which is very handy/safe as you need roll a bit while busy.
I could also sell it when done. I know a guy in Amsterdam who will need one soon, and he has a great new garage with corners to fill!  Wink

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#5
Buy an engine lift plate like this.  https://www.jegs.com/i/Moroso/710/62670/...akQAvD_BwE
I've used one dozens of times with no problem including an all iron 460 and C6 out of and into a Ford F-250. Also, get the two ton engine puller. Chuck
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(09-20-2018, 02:15 PM)Fabrice Wrote: 1 ton would be enough but the 2 tons version has much wider and longer legs

Who doesn’t like wider and longer legs?! :-)
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(09-20-2018, 03:38 PM)c9zx Wrote: Buy an engine lift plate like this.  https://www.jegs.com/i/Moroso/710/62670/...akQAvD_BwE
I've used one dozens of times with no problem including an all iron 460 and C6 out of and into a Ford F-250. Also, get the two ton engine puller. Chuck

I've considered one of these, I'm not worrying about the weight that it would hold. I know I could lift the block with just one of the intake studs.


But I think this isn't precise enough and I'm bit afraid I have no real control on the Y rotation, I need install on both sides the headers (in 3 pieces) while busy, and there is like a micro play on both sides to do this. During the install, my fingers will be in that micro space, and I'd love to keep them round.
I have the feeling chains on 4 sides of the block would be more secure to do this. 
Or am I totally wrong based on your experience?

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(09-20-2018, 03:53 PM)Fabrice Wrote:
(09-20-2018, 03:38 PM)c9zx Wrote: Buy an engine lift plate like this.  https://www.jegs.com/i/Moroso/710/62670/...akQAvD_BwE
I've used one dozens of times with no problem including an all iron 460 and C6 out of and into a Ford F-250. Also, get the two ton engine puller. Chuck

I've considered one of these, I'm not worrying about the weight that it would hold. I know I could lift the block with just one of the intake studs.


But I think this isn't precise enough and I'm bit afraid I have no real control on the Y rotation, I need install on both sides the headers (in 3 pieces) while busy, and there is like a micro play on both sides to do this. During the install, my fingers will be in that micro space, and I'd love to keep them round.
I have the feeling chains on 4 sides of the block would be more secure to do this. 
Or am I totally wrong based on your experience?

What headers do you have that require the engine to be suspended by the hoist to install them? Tubular Automotive, Crites? or what? As long as it is suspended, regardless as to how, it is going to move with the slightest touch. I've installed several by myself but, it is a lot easier with two people. You are right, one tight 5/16 coarse thread, grade 8 bolt has a tensile strength of 7850 lbs.
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#9
I use mine with 4 chains, one to each corner of the block. I've never had a problem removing or installing an engine/transmission combination by myself. Just take your time and go a little at a time, adjusting the leveler as needed to get the angle going in and as you start to enter the transmission tunnel.



“If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough.”
--Albert Einstein
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#10
Who's that?! I'm actually thinking of making extra corners by putting in another floor just for storage coz I got wood left. Or maybe just really big shelves...
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