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Blackout hood paint
#1
Hey can anyone tell me if Ford changed the blackout hood paint from the 69-70 Mustangs to ours? So I mean was the texture and color the same for the black?

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#2
I cannot tell you but I see very few painted to look correct. The black out for sure has a texture to it same with the spoiler, the places beside the tail lights and if a 73 around the front marker lights and the marker lights. On all cars the bottom rear of the hood go the flat black to hide the area, see yellow hood. I do not have a really good macro lens so I cannot get a great close up of my original. I stayed away from the black when I waxed the car for sure.
Both of these cars are Factory paint. The yellow has the Decor Group so bottom half is black. They missed a big place on one side on the quarter panel but was down low. It also has big runs in it and is a vert.
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#3
69-70 had a slight texture to the paint, 71-73 did not. The color of the paint is simply black, nothing special.

an excellent source for detailing info is the 429 Megasite

http://429mustangcougarinfo.50megs.com/paint_info.htm

Halfway down is the pre-flattened clear used over a black base coat. Adding a flattening agent to regular clear often dries to a milky look. If using a single stage paint, I've had good success with the "eggshell" recipe.

As David noted, be very careful about the hood blackout shape. Lots of bad info out there and most get it wrong. The Mustang Monthly template article was totally incorrect. David has two original paint cars and can supply you with the correct shape.


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#4
Ok thanks guys for more great info. I was wondering more about the color and texture than the shape. Mine was wrong when I bought it, knew as soon as I looked at it. The color was wrong too cause it was gloss black, not semi gloss like it should be.
I’m going to make sure it’s correct cause the way my hood was really bugged me. I have always wanted to put it back to the semi black and I just want it to look right.
The shop that’s doing the work on my car has a really sharp looking 69 Mach1 on their website, but the blackout on the hood looks like it has more texture than our cars have. I don’t think I have to worry about the shape of the blackout cause the owner has an original unrestored 71 429 Mach1. He said he has the perfect formula for the blackout paint, but said it can’t be waxed and to use pledge on to take care of it. I’ve heard of that before but that’s old school, isn’t it?
Anyway I’m going to go there to see his place and a sample of the blackout paint before that gets done. I do plan on showing him the hood paint on the 429 mega site. Not sure if he knows about that, but I really do love that site. Have used it many times to get the details for my car correct. I really do like the sample of the hood on there.

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#5
I suggest SEM Hot Rod Black  and if you wish, a coat of SEM Hot Rod Clear  over it as long as your painter doesn't get too much build-up or there will be quite a 'step' between the black-out and body color on the hood.
The color and sheen are in my humble opinion, perfect and hard wearing. I even use Mother's quick detailer on my hood without ANY ill effects to the sheen. i.e. it does not change the look of the finish. I found that out by mistake when I spilled some on the hood and was surprised I hadn't F'd it up.
If you're doing a concours job, you can still buy PPG 9381 Black from your local PPG supplier...……. or at least in Canada I can!
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(11-09-2018, 01:26 PM)Stanglover Wrote: I suggest SEM Hot Rod Black  and if you wish, a coat of SEM Hot Rod Clear  over it as long as your painter doesn't get too much build-up or there will be quite a 'step' between the black-out and body color on the hood.
The color and sheen are in my humble opinion, perfect and hard wearing. I even use Mother's quick detailer on my hood without ANY ill effects to the sheen. i.e. it does not change the look of the finish. I found that out by mistake when I spilled some on the hood and was surprised I hadn't F'd it up.
If you're doing a concours job, you can still buy PPG 9381 Black from your local PPG supplier...……. or at least in Canada I can!
Geoff.
Thanks Geoff, I did mention that to him from reading your thread about it. But he said he did have the correct formula for it. I’m going to find out exactly what that is before any painting is done. And I do need to get my ass there ASAP, just so busy with work right now.
I will definitely check out all options beforehand, cause I want it to be easy to take care of. My car is a driver and that’s what I want. Even though when I get it back I’m going to be afraid to drive it for awhile. That accident is giving me nightmares, keep seeing the smash into the pole and the hood going up from it. Over and over, friggin driving me nuts!

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#7
I would agree with the finish comments thus far. No texture in the 71-73 colors. I have also used the SEM Hot Rod black on a Jeep I have been working on and it turned out to be a great finish. Maybe something to consider for a nice driver occasional show car. Allen Shepley from the 429 Megasite painted my car, so I can vouch for his process. Although, my driver side rocker panel had a pass with the buffer over it and shined it up a little more than the passenger side . Plan to fix than someday.

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(11-09-2018, 02:55 PM)bkdunha Wrote: I would agree with the finish comments thus far. No texture in the 71-73 colors.  I have also used the SEM Hot Rod black on a Jeep I have been working on and it turned out to be a great finish. Maybe something to consider for a nice driver occasional show car.  Allen Shepley from the 429 Megasite painted my car, so I can vouch for his process. Although, my driver side rocker panel had a pass with the buffer over it and shined it up a little more than the passenger side . Plan to fix than someday.
I was going to look to see what you used for your hood. Glad to hear you got it from the mega site and wow, you got that guy to paint your car to. Very cool. I am definitely going to show them this. Thanks!

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(11-09-2018, 02:16 PM)jpaz Wrote:
(11-09-2018, 01:26 PM)Stanglover Wrote: I suggest SEM Hot Rod Black  and if you wish, a coat of SEM Hot Rod Clear  over it as long as your painter doesn't get too much build-up or there will be quite a 'step' between the black-out and body color on the hood.
The color and sheen are in my humble opinion, perfect and hard wearing. I even use Mother's quick detailer on my hood without ANY ill effects to the sheen. i.e. it does not change the look of the finish. I found that out by mistake when I spilled some on the hood and was surprised I hadn't F'd it up.
If you're doing a concours job, you can still buy PPG 9381 Black from your local PPG supplier...……. or at least in Canada I can!
Geoff.
Thanks Geoff, I did mention that to him from reading your thread about it. But he said he did have the correct formula for it. I’m going to find out exactly what that is before any painting is done. And I do need to get my ass there ASAP, just so busy with work right now.
I will definitely check out all options beforehand, cause I want it to be easy to take care of. My car is a driver and that’s what I want. Even though when I get it back I’m going to be afraid to drive it for awhile. That accident is giving me nightmares, keep seeing the smash into the pole and the hood going up from it. Over and over, friggin driving me nuts!

 You should be able to buy the kits for SEM Hot Rod Black at a good auto vendor that sells auto paints like the SEM range. I have no idea about the US vendors, but if there is a Ray-Mac or CARQUEST or similar they should sell it. I wouldn't suggest mixing this, best to buy the proper "kit" which is 2 parts.
 Geoff.

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#10
I agree the SEM is good stuff. It comes in a box with a qt. of paint, half pint each of activator and reducer. Depending on how you reduce it and/or spray it you can end up with different textures. I used it on my brother in law's 70 Torino Cobra 5yrs ago and it has held up well. And isn't too bad to maintain. The cost is about 100.00 for the "kit". I have used it since on a lot of stuff. So I'll share A couple of things. It dries slow so dust can be a problem. If you have primer spots its best seal the whole area or chances are the spots will show . It's sensitive to humidity. I use an Iwatta 1.3 gun and spray it wet with a 70% or so overlap. On body panels 600 grit is good , engine compartments etc. you can get away with 320 or 400 grit. If you are doing stripes carefully untape before it's totally dry, the edges will be softer. Re doing stripes leaves a thick edge so I hope these tips are helpfull. Axalta Hot Hues hot rod black is also really good stuff.
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