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Arsonist hits local classic car dealer
#1
http://miami.cbslocal.com/2014/07/24/cla...ouse-fire/

Sounds as if there are a number of people with an axe to grind with Vernon, though I was surprised that the possibility of a pissed buyer wasn't a consideration.

Given that Vernon's stock is a mix of 25% excellent vehicles and 75% of the worst Bondo magnets known to man (with BJ pricing), I wouldn't rule that out.

-Kurt

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#2
Sounds like Vernon is not a very respectable business woman. The report seems to indicate that she evicts a lot of people. And by the sound of the names, me thinks something on the order of slum lord?
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#3
Robin Vernon, Robin Zial, Robin Pinkard...?

Does anyone find it odd that everyone is named "Robin" in this story?
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#4
Kit Sullivan;189402 Wrote:Robin Vernon, Robin Zial, Robin Pinkard...?

Does anyone find it odd that everyone is named "Robin" in this story?

What I find odd is that her husband Ted has been the face and talking head behind the business for over 35 years. Why is she doing damage control this time around?

-Kurt

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#5
There is something fishy here and it's not the fact that I haven't showered yet!
What struck a cord was the thing about there being surveillance cameras but none caught anything relevant. They all pointed in the wrong direction.
IN ALL 3 PLACES the fires were started?!?
Come on, that says either the cameras were intentionally set that way or the arsonist knew exactly which area they covered.
The first would be more logical because otherwise you should at least be able to see someone approaching or moving around, even if they don't catch the act itself.
I have a suspicion which I'm not gonna post here.

Now I'm off for a shower. Smile

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#6
I'm not sure if his show is on TV anymore i know there are reruns of it.

if you watch it, he basically flips cars, so he will buy something at a swap meet, then maybe throw some money into it to get it running, without a thorough inspection.

now when somebody that knows about a specific car comes and looks at something he has for sale and the person starts to pick apart the car then the owner basically goes ballistic on the buyer.
so its buy it but don't look at it.

the TV show paints him as a professional, TV wouldn't show a liar so people think he is on TV so i can trust him.

in one Episode the wife bought some 1950s parts car off a guys lawn. she throws paint on it with some really bad body work, fast and cheap, throws an interior together and makes it look like a driver. end of the episode drama how can we make a profit off it,, it sells to some guy for 10 times what she bought it for and maybe 5000$ in garbage put on it, off the buyer goes thinking i bought a quality classic car from the guy on TV.

so the seller is a success cause he turned a big profit. will the car actually kill the person driving it? who knows because neither of them in Miami care.

So I'm easily picturing a former customer coming back and doing what happened because they got burned.

Now i flat out tell people that is what happened to me, because i was young, inexperienced, and blind to the fact most people involved in the classic car and car industry are pure scum and they will sleep at night just fine even if a junker they flip on you causes you to die horribly. When i watch all these flipper shows on TV 9 out of 10 i get sick to my stomach because i know what the seller is doing, they show it right on TV and what the buyer is in for in the future.

I would like to feel sorry for the Miami guy but i can't. It is either he is blind to his own arrogance or so full of himself as a TV hero that he can do no wrong. either way he pissed someone off really bad, and its a shame it went that far.

interestingly i have family that lives right by where his warehouse was from the TV show and my uncle was after me for years to go down and see his collection and maybe buy something, but it never worked out.
i did go to rag tops in florida once in palm beach. it is like a museum but you can buy stuff. stuff was well over priced, and again you really needed to know what you expected in a car you looked at. they had a 69 firebird at the time white on white, and i was kind of interested in it. it was a 400 ram air car if i remember the price was high but i was willing to talk them down. so my uncle is egging me to get it, turns out it was a clone from a 6 cylinder so i'm questioning the structure now did they swap the correct parts on it for the V8 or just ham fist everything inside. was not the original color(was green originally) and then i had a closer look at the rockers.
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so i NOPED right out of there.

but it was really easy to fool somebody in off the street if they didn't start asking questions. rag top was at least honest about it, the sales guy did have paper work on the car and explained why the price was low on it, but it didn't say all that on the little pedestal they had next to the car talking about what it was. it just said 400 ram air and all the options and a price. also what they called low price was on the super high side of Blue book. Tourist trap.

meh.
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#7
This one sure appears to be an INSIDE job. I am no detective or expert but just like Lux and others have said - something is odd or 'fishy'. I'd like to see what insurance these folks had on the cars.
Just a hunch... We need another reality TV show; THE INSURANCE DETECTIVE! Smile

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#8
Robin seems to be an appropriate name for the owner. Sounds like she has been "robbin em" for years.
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#9
All valid points, though it is unjust to say that they had any of it coming. As much as I'm not a fan of sellers with no pride in what they sell, I do give Ted Vernon credit for one thing:

Unlike 95% of the flippers out there, he is willing to tell anyone - on TV or in person - that the only way that you can make a profitable business from classic cars is to buy junk for cheap, put an absolute minimum into them to make them look good, and sell them for more than they are worth. Folks single him out and try to discredit him because he admits to selling tarted-up Bondo magnets. Wrong. Every other classic car dealer does the same thing - the business model cannot sustain itself any other way if you expect a profit after buying your inventory, putting money into it, paying for the taxes, insurance, licensing, etc.

30 years of taking crap for selling crap has a way of convincing you to admit it's crap. At least he has the decency to say so.

I'd say that's fair warning for any buyer.

-Kurt

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#10
luxstang;189434 Wrote:...I have a suspicion which I'm not gonna post here...

+1

Jim

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