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A Possible game changer
#1
A buddy of mine called me to offer me 1st shot on buying his 460. It's a 535hp 500tqr Ford motorsports SVO create motor. Built in 98. It's never been ran. Comes with C6 trans 850 demon carb high tqr starter motor mounts and headers for 5k. He has 2 projects a 69 Bronco that he 4 wheels the crap out of and a 67 pro street Cougar. Well he wants to take the Bronco to the next level so he is scraping the Cougar and selling off the parts. I'm just not sure I want to give up on building a 408 Cleveland for my Mach 1.

Any thoughts?


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#2
Sound cool to me

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#3
If price is the deciding factor, I can tell you that $5000 is a good bit cheaper than building the 408 Stroker if your using aluminum heads. I built my 408 stroker with afd aluminum heads and had a lot more than 5k into it!! With just a little more HP than what you are talking around 550-575.
Just my experience.
But you have to calculate in the motor mounts, rad, springs,brackets, ect.... for a big block too.

Kevin

1971 Mach 1
408C Stroker
C4 w/3,000 stall
8.8" Rear w/3.73's
Disc brakes all way around.

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#4
Depends what you want to do with the car..If you want to go fast in a straight line then buy it..BUT if you want to be able to really drive the car & drive it for extended lengths of time then stick with your plan..Having had a similar motor 700hp 429/460 in the Green Mach I purchased from a member here the wow factor wore off real quick..The car handled for shit..you couldn't take more than a half hour or so behind the wheel was just a dog to drive..No fun at all..Pulled that motor & c6 & sold it this past summer..
I have always believed in a more balanced refined approach to my builds since I really like to be able to DRIVE MY CARS..I want them them to handle..take long trips with ease..still have the power required when I stomp the pedal..I was going to do a 408 stroker too..but the more I thought about it the more research I did I came to the conclusion why do that when I could build a nice user friendly streetable 351c with 380-420 hp more than enough for the street..I also knew that my other 351cj q-code car was awsome to drive had plenty of power handled great..was a fun balnced package I could drive for hours on end..In doing my research I came across an article that confirmed everything I had known..So I changed my plan no 408 stroker..Faux 351c CJ build 4r70w tranny..all the upgraded modern suspension components..
Heres a cut & paste from that article some food for thought:

Building a 351C based stroker motor is contrary to the spirit of the 351C. It returns to the excesses that Ford designed the 351C to leave behind. I'm convinced if a high performance street, sports car or road racing enthusiast wants a 500 bhp engine the standard displacement 351 is a better choice than a stroker displacing 383, 393 or 408 cubic inches. A smaller motor builds power more gradually as the engine speed rises, it doesn't make 400+ foot/pounds of torque abruptly at 2000 rpm like a stroker does, the power is delivered in a manner that is easier for the average driver to control, or to put it another way, in a manner making it harder for the tires to loose adhesion. Choosing balanced performance over brute force is my recommendation. Build a 400 to 450 horsepower 351C, a task which is not difficult or exorbitantly expensive; keep the power delivery controllable; equip the car with the lightest wheels, the best tires, performance gears, lightweight drivetrain parts (drive shaft and axles), the best shocks and the best brakes you can afford; lower the chassis; and lighten the vehicle to improve the power to weight ratio. Truly going fast on street tires is not a matter of how big or powerful the motor is, but how well balanced the package is.

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#5
That sounds like a deal to me but I really like Qcode351mach's advise. I'm just getting started on a rebuild of a 72 Mach 1 and want to turn it into a 73 clone to match my first Mach 1 and I think I'll follow that advise on the engine build.

Mike
72 Mach 1
1979 Ranchero GT
1979 Corvette (yes... the "C" word)
2003 Pro-Street American Motorcycle
Which was the mid-life crisis???? Big Grin
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You know you want too .....devil

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#7
If it has been sitting since 98 it will need a complete tear down to check for rust and to re-lube everything. If the seals have been sitting dry all this time you may want to replace them when its apart. IMO $5K is a bit high given the circumstances.

73 conv. 460, D0VE large valve heads, Performer RPM manifold, Voodoo 227/233 cam, Holley 950 HP carb, C6 trans, 3.25 trak-loc.
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Mike
72 Mach 1
1979 Ranchero GT
1979 Corvette (yes... the "C" word)
2003 Pro-Street American Motorcycle
Which was the mid-life crisis???? Big Grin
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#9
Uhh, buy it and then make it a great deal for your neighbor to the North?

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Dave

1931 Ford Model A Station Wagon
1969 Mach 1 - 351C, TKO-600, 4WDB, R&P, A/C, Shaker, Fold Down, etc.
1972 Mach 1 - 351C, FMX, PDB, PS, A/C, Fold Down, Console
1996 Mustang Cobra Convertible - 10psi Procharger
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#10
Thank the good Lord for the big block Ford.

But it depends on your wants/needs as Scott said.

Steve



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