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73, 302 radiator and shroud info needed
#1
runninpony 
Good evening all,

I could use a hand making sure I get myself the right parts for a radiator replacement.

I have an all stock 73 Mustang, 302 2v with auto trans and without a/c.  I currently have a leaking radiator, stamped p/n D3ZE NA 3EC.
Rough core dimensions...22"W x 17 3/4"H    overall... 27 3/4"W x 19 1/4"H  (I believe this is a 2 row/core radiator)
The shroud has FoMoCo D00E-8146-B cast into it.
The mounting brackets, top and bottom, are bolted to the inner nuts in the radiator support. (Can post pic if needed)

All of the radiators that I find for my car, that are said to be to ford spec, have larger dimensions than what I have installed. Most of the descriptions are like this...

"This 3-row radiator fits 302 w/ A/C or H/D cooling, 351, & 429.

Dimensions:
Core: 26" W x 18" H x 1-7/8" D
Overall: 32" W x 19"H x 3-3/8" D
1-1/2" passenger side upper inlet
1-1/2" driver side lower outlet."

The shrouds that I see for sale all seem to replace D1ZZ-8146.

The questions...
Will a replacement radiator, like in the example, fit by moving my brackets to the outer mounting holes?
If so, will my old shroud fit or do I need the one listed as replacing D1ZZ-8146?
Is there anything that I'm overlooking?  I may need a fan spacer, I have room between the core and blade but I don't know how the blade will sit in the new shroud.
Opinions on best place to get what I need for this job.  I am looking at NPD or West Coast Classic Cougar right now.

Thanks for listening, fortunately the leak is not so bad that I can't drive it locally, but I know that sooner is better.



Thanks,
Bryan

Bryan~

My Garage....

73 Mustang Convertible- Grandma's
61 Studebaker Hawk- Grandpa's
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#2
I just picked up this one:
https://stang-aholics.com/i-24189775-71-...-core.html

I haven't installed it yet, but a test drop in look ok.

Mike



I'm just fixin' to get ready to start to get going.

I'm just fixin' to get ready to start to get going
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#3
(04-15-2019, 08:08 PM)Grandmas73 Wrote: Good evening all,

I could use a hand making sure I get myself the right parts for a radiator replacement.

I have an all stock 73 Mustang, 302 2v with auto trans and without a/c.  I currently have a leaking radiator, stamped p/n D3ZE NA 3EC.
Rough core dimensions...22"W x 17 3/4"H    overall... 27 3/4"W x 19 1/4"H  (I believe this is a 2 row/core radiator)
The shroud has FoMoCo D00E-8146-B cast into it.
The mounting brackets, top and bottom, are bolted to the inner nuts in the radiator support. (Can post pic if needed)

All of the radiators that I find for my car, that are said to be to ford spec, have larger dimensions than what I have installed. Most of the descriptions are like this...

"This 3-row radiator fits 302 w/ A/C or H/D cooling, 351, & 429.

Dimensions:
Core: 26" W x 18" H x 1-7/8" D
Overall: 32" W x 19"H x 3-3/8" D
1-1/2" passenger side upper inlet
1-1/2" driver side lower outlet."

The shrouds that I see for sale all seem to replace D1ZZ-8146.

The questions...
Will a replacement radiator, like in the example, fit by moving my brackets to the outer mounting holes?
If so, will my old shroud fit or do I need the one listed as replacing D1ZZ-8146?
Is there anything that I'm overlooking?  I may need a fan spacer, I have room between the core and blade but I don't know how the blade will sit in the new shroud.
Opinions on best place to get what I need for this job.  I am looking at NPD or West Coast Classic Cougar right now.

Thanks for listening, fortunately the leak is not so bad that I can't drive it locally, but I know that sooner is better.



Thanks,
Bryan


You have the radiator that was only used on on the std cooling 250-6 and 302 engines. It's going to be hard to find one of those as a replacement, seems everything I looked at is the 26" core model for the HD, A/C & Extra cooling packages.  NPD has the 22", but they are $500.

Funny thing is, I have that exact radiator in my 71, came out of a 6 cyl '73 convertible I parted out. 

IMO, you are probably better off by springing for the larger radiator and new shroud. For the 26" radiator, you'll need to move the lower brackets, and the upper will be obvious when installed. Fan will clear the new shroud without issue. Might want to replace the upper and lower hoses while you're at it.


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#4
(04-15-2019, 08:30 PM)mjseakan Wrote: I just picked up this one:
https://stang-aholics.com/i-24189775-71-...-core.html

I haven't installed it yet, but a test drop in look ok.

Mike



I'm just fixin' to get ready to start to get going.

Thanks,  I am trying to stay with the stock look.  I'll Keep that in my back pocket just in case .

Bryan~

My Garage....

73 Mustang Convertible- Grandma's
61 Studebaker Hawk- Grandpa's
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#5
(04-15-2019, 09:09 PM)Hemikiller Wrote:
(04-15-2019, 08:08 PM)Grandmas73 Wrote: Good evening all,

I could use a hand making sure I get myself the right parts for a radiator replacement.

I have an all stock 73 Mustang, 302 2v with auto trans and without a/c.  I currently have a leaking radiator, stamped p/n D3ZE NA 3EC.
Rough core dimensions...22"W x 17 3/4"H    overall... 27 3/4"W x 19 1/4"H  (I believe this is a 2 row/core radiator)
The shroud has FoMoCo D00E-8146-B cast into it.
The mounting brackets, top and bottom, are bolted to the inner nuts in the radiator support. (Can post pic if needed)

All of the radiators that I find for my car, that are said to be to ford spec, have larger dimensions than what I have installed. Most of the descriptions are like this...

"This 3-row radiator fits 302 w/ A/C or H/D cooling, 351, & 429.

Dimensions:
Core: 26" W x 18" H x 1-7/8" D
Overall: 32" W x 19"H x 3-3/8" D
1-1/2" passenger side upper inlet
1-1/2" driver side lower outlet."

The shrouds that I see for sale all seem to replace D1ZZ-8146.

The questions...
Will a replacement radiator, like in the example, fit by moving my brackets to the outer mounting holes?
If so, will my old shroud fit or do I need the one listed as replacing D1ZZ-8146?
Is there anything that I'm overlooking?  I may need a fan spacer, I have room between the core and blade but I don't know how the blade will sit in the new shroud.
Opinions on best place to get what I need for this job.  I am looking at NPD or West Coast Classic Cougar right now.

Thanks for listening, fortunately the leak is not so bad that I can't drive it locally, but I know that sooner is better.



Thanks,
Bryan


You have the radiator that was only used on on the std cooling 250-6 and 302 engines. It's going to be hard to find one of those as a replacement, seems everything I looked at is the 26" core model for the HD, A/C & Extra cooling packages.  NPD has the 22", but they are $500.

Funny thing is, I have that exact radiator in my 71, came out of a 6 cyl '73 convertible I parted out. 

IMO, you are probably better off by springing for the larger radiator and new shroud. For the 26" radiator, you'll need to move the lower brackets, and the upper will be obvious when installed. Fan will clear the new shroud without issue. Might want to replace the upper and lower hoses while you're at it.

Thanks , that's what I  thought . Bigger radiator not a bad thing.  But the confirmation on what I have and how to fit the new is just what i needed. Time to grab the check book Thankyouyellow
Does anyone say checkbook any more ? Huh

Bryan~

My Garage....

73 Mustang Convertible- Grandma's
61 Studebaker Hawk- Grandpa's
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#6
All,

+1 with HemiKiller! Here is an interesting radiator article-  Aluminum vs. Copper/ Brass: Article by US Radiator

https://www.hotrodhotline.com/content/al...LXue6R7lhE

Wow! They are not cheap!

http://www.usradiator.com/radiators?cat=1133

RockAuto - $139.00

https://www.rockauto.com/en/moreinfo.php...84&jsn=552

Thanks,
mustang7173 Thankyouyellow

"Courage is being scared to death but saddling up anyway" -- John Wayne
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#7
GM,
I have a shroud from my 73 in NJ, if your interested that waqs for a 351C no air.
Let me know.....
Thanks, Jay
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#8
(04-16-2019, 10:53 AM)clevelandcoupe Wrote: GM,
I have a shroud from my 73 in NJ, if your interested that waqs for a 351C no air.
Let me know.....
Thanks, Jay
Thanks Jay,  I'll pick one up when I choose a radiator, I do appreciate it though.

Bryan~

My Garage....

73 Mustang Convertible- Grandma's
61 Studebaker Hawk- Grandpa's
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#9
(04-16-2019, 10:05 AM)mustang7173 Wrote: All,

+1 with HemiKiller!  Here is an interesting radiator article-  Aluminum vs. Copper/ Brass: Article by US Radiator

https://www.hotrodhotline.com/content/al...LXue6R7lhE

Wow! They are not cheap!

http://www.usradiator.com/radiators?cat=1133

RockAuto - $139.00

https://www.rockauto.com/en/moreinfo.php...84&jsn=552
WOW, that article really shed some light on cop V alum. 
Great links, bookmarked for sure. Thankyouyellow

Bryan~

My Garage....

73 Mustang Convertible- Grandma's
61 Studebaker Hawk- Grandpa's
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#10
One thing they didn't mention was electrolysis in AL vs CU radiators. New car manufacturers take it into consideration when they design the cooling system.
https://www.7173mustangs.com/thread-alum...ectrolysis



“If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough.”
--Albert Einstein
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