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71 Vert Project
#11
mrmach1;217289 Wrote:Great project, love the pics. door sag can absolutely be caused by weak or worn or misaligned hinges. I'd start there anyway. That's some big ass fish. The trout looks like dinner.

Unfortunately with convertibles, it can also mean frame flex... as in, rockers, inner rockers, etc., might be compromised by the rust. If you're looking to replace the front clip, you might want to find a way to get underneath the car and inspect the unibody frame structure.

If the car's "frame" is bowing, that would push the tops of the A-pillars inward toward the top of the B-pillars, making it seem like the doors are sagging at the hinges.

OR - it could just be a saggy driver's door, and adjusting the hinges will solve your problems (I hope that's the case, rather than the other).

Good luck and keep us posted!

Eric

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#12
Black huh? That's a rare factory color for 71-73's.

1973 Mach 1 Q code 351 4V, 9A paint, standard interior, 3.50 rear, C6 trans.
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#13
My father was told that by a supposed "Mustang guy" at a cruise night... So that could be very wrong!
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#14
That front clip you have is a nice piece, but would be a TON of work to install. If you only have a hole on the frame rail I would consider patching that area and saving all of the factory structural welds you are looking at in a clip replacement. That job would make you as old as me before your time!

Doors, I'd definitely do the hinges first. Do new bushings and pins and re-align those suckers!
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#15
Thanks kcmash, i would like to keep as much of the original metal together as possible. I guess i will have to wait until April when i can get the motor back out to check the extent of the rust.
I will do that with the doors. I was given the link to a hinge rebuild kit that i will try. Although i think i may have a set of hinges in my spare parts. I'll have to take a look when I get home from university.
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#16
kcmash;218346 Wrote:That front clip you have is a nice piece, but would be a TON of work to install. If you only have a hole on the frame rail I would consider patching that area and saving all of the factory structural welds you are looking at in a clip replacement. That job would make you as old as me before your time!

Doors, I'd definitely do the hinges first. Do new bushings and pins and re-align those suckers!

Yes - he is absolutely correct. Depending on where the hole in your frame rail is, there are repop patches available - though, obviously you have all the 'patches' you could ever need with that front clip. Personally, I would use the repop pieces if possible, and maybe sell that front clip to someone who might need it more - since once you cut into it, it's not a 'complete' front clip anymore. Just a thought.

For instance, if it looks like this, you'll probably want to replace the whole front clip... if not, I would just patch it.

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This is a scary proposition, and a huge, daunting task... trust me.


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Hope this helps.

Eric

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#17
Welcome from Arkansas, good to see another 71 vert being saved
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#18
Nothing like that mister 4x4.. On the passenger side.. Towards the fire wall there is some sort of steering/suspension piece that bolts to the frame with two bolts if i remember right.. There is a hole there maybe 5x5 inches tops. And then some rust on the cross member where it hits the frame.
I will absolutely keep the spare front clip in tact for someone else if i can use repop pieces or just steel.

Thanks caspian, hopefully i can save her!
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#19
Great to hear another is coming back. What is the hole in the frame, rust, cut? Could you not just close the hole up to keep all your original metal.
David
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#20
Yes the hole is from rust. My original plan was to just weld it up with 1/8" steel or something. I did this on my old dodge pickup and it held up fine.. and I beat the hell out of that thing!
However, from talking to people on other car forums I just got the sense that it wasn't worth it to try to salvage the car nor would it be safe. It wasn't an option for me to just scrap the car as I didn't have funds for a new one and this one held some sentimental value. It is very nice to find people who care for the 71-73s!
I then went looking for a repop full frame rail but all i could find were the front half patches. Then I found the dynacorn full apron/rail for $700~ and that was my plan until I found this full front clip for a fraction of the price.
Anyway, I highlighted the areas rusted in this picture.
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hopefully that gives a better idea of what I am talking about. Keep in mind this is what I could see with the engine still in the car but I studied it pretty good (while very frustrated!)
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