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71-73 2019 MCA Judging Rules
#11
There are a few things that are odd to me. They say no floor mats. Floor mats are on my window sticker you could order them. They also say no clock is ok in long console. 71 was the only year the clock got left out if you got the dash mounted clock. They also state that in 73 there was an AM/FM 8 Track option. I would love to see documentation on that one. If there had been one I would have ordered it. They also said matching wheel for spare ok. Like Mag. 500 or forged alu. That never happened either.
They have always left lots of stuff vague for sure. Just stating as original. Without pictures that is left up to each judge. Did not see anything about Boss much. Is that a different set of rules? Nothing about Special Paint cars either.
They make statement about 71 -73 T-5 emblems that is not correct either.
I am going to order a Marti for the 72 I have that is Q code that had ram air to see what shows up. They say zero 72 or 73 Q code ram air. Here is a Marti showing Ram Air on a 1972 pic attached.
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Attached is the first page of the window sticker showing the Front Color Keyed Floor Mats option for $13.30 about 3/4 way down.


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#12
David, Something to think about. That Marti shows an order date in February but the car wasn't built for over 8 months. There had to be a reason for the delay. An example to compare is this. In 1984 I ordered a corvette with the 4+3 transmission. It was a 4 speed manual with a 2 speed auto behind it. They were having problems with the auto transmission side during the production run and my order was put on hold.  As I wouldn't change my order to the 700R4 trans I ended up waiting 4 extra months over the 700R4 cars. Maybe the odd Q code ram air is the reason for the 8 month wait.
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Thanks for the Info !

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(01-11-2019, 03:00 AM)Stocktrader Wrote: David, Something to think about. That Marti shows an order date in February but the car wasn't built for over 8 months. There had to be a reason for the delay. An example to compare is this. In 1984 I ordered a corvette with the 4+3 transmission. It was a 4 speed manual with a 2 speed auto behind it. They were having problems with the auto transmission side during the production run and my order was put on hold.  As I wouldn't change my order to the 700R4 trans I ended up waiting 4 extra months over the 700R4 cars. Maybe the odd Q code ram air is the reason for the 8 month wait.

Good point. I do remember reading somewhere that the federal regulations emission issue Ford had with ram air on Q code cars began mid-production in 1972. According to Marti's production numbers, there were 2,180 1972 Ram Air cars made in some combination of H-code and Q-code models. It seems reasonable to think that there were 1972 Q-code Ram Air cars that could have been ordered, built and delivered in 1971 before the Fed put the clamps on Ford in the 1972 calendar year.

Marti also notes, that in 1973 there were 603 Ram Air cars "every last one of them" were H-code cars.
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David, I am aware that Ford was dealing with the EPA certification on the 72 4 barrel motors. At the time the 72 model year production started they had not received their CARB certifications on the 4 barrel ram air motors. It was indicated that a few 4 barrels with ram did make it out before the EPA advised them they were not CARB certified and at that point production stopped on the 4 barrel with ram air. Lets be honest that there has not been a major focus on the 71-73 by MCA. Their judging rules are not perfect, but I do not believe any rules are perfect. If you are showing a car and do not agree with the rules than submit documentation and known original equipment cars to MCA. The example of the Marti you show when shared with a judge in my opinion would not lead to a points deduction. If you have a unique car I always recommend thorough documentation with you anytime the car is being judged. That will help state your case to the judges. At MCACN this year I had a couple of MCA Judges point out several things that they felt were incorrect in my car. This has lead to some of my recent questions of the group. When I have the information to make me feel comfortable with my car and what I have researched to be original I am ok with that. I did not build this car for that judge or that show. I built it for me and the information I have gathered on originality. My experience with MCA run the spectrum. Some guys who say many things are wrong to some guys who say everything is right. That is just the human element. I guess having a 20+ year career in Human Resources has taught me to respect others opinions and views and move on. Please do not think I am questioning your information, because I know you are very knowledgeable and have real examples to reference. I just think the only way MCA is going to get better is if we participate and convince things to change.

BKDunha
72 Mach 1 H-Code (Concourse driven restoration)
67 S-Code Factory GT with 4-Spd

68 Mercury Cyclone (Pro-Street project)
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Item 2 a. trunk floor is incomplete/wrong. The 71 was light grey speckle, 72-73 was dark grey speckle. Chuck
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#17
The MCA is pretty reasonable when it comes to rules. However, they do require proof. If you have a car with a documented history that shows a feature you can prove was on the car when it was made, they will amend the rules. That's why they put out new versions from time to time. The key is being able to document that the car was not changed with over the counter replacement parts or body repairs performed in the areas in question.

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#18
The MCA was one reason my car just got parked. I took to Atlanta to MCA Nationals I think 1982. I had copies of my order form, window stickers and dealer invoice. I was the original and only owner. I was in an un restored class at that time. I did get a third place. Then a week of so later I get a letter with a list of everything that is incorrect on the car. They said for me to do any better I had to change them. Lots of fasteners were stated to be incorrect. Needless to say I never went back.
Then about a week later a guy shows up at my home with and F-350 and a car trailer with I think Michigan plates. He tells me he is here to buy my car. He had got the address info from a judge at the MCA that I will not say but starts with a P, lol. I told him to just get in his truck and leave. He offered me $25,000 for the car then and I told him again it was not for sale at any price to just leave.
So the car sat in the barn since then. They were very hard headed back then on the rules only one was right. I am sure Ford never shut an assembly line down because a fastener was not there. They used something to keep them going.
I do not do good with politics which is what MCA is.
I was a department manager for years and also a program manager for BMW, Ford, Toyota, John Deere, Honda and many other programs. I held those jobs because I respected others and let them do their jobs but was good at keeping things moving. If the 50th. ann had not done so good MCA would not be around today. I see people in my local Mustang club do the politics over and over. They have to attend a MCA national to get an award that could be mailed to them.
One thing that can make a Marti report incorrect is just like the elections when Florida had such a problem with the holes punched in the voting cards not being clear or incorrect. Marti has, or had, boxes of IBM punch cards that told what options were to be installed on the vehicle. If a hole got plugged up or an extra hole got punched somehow it changed the options. My punch cards were still in my car due to no dealer prep. That was a simple effective way to do it back then which actually started with the 1890 census which was compiled using punch cards and a mechanical computer.
So there are really nice examples of original cars that get changed to fit some made up rules that should have had more research before writing them and should have been more acceptable to change in the past.


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That was 36 years ago...

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Yes 36 years and I understand they got worse, lol. Several members in our club are judges and have Concourse cars and they talk about how bad it is now. Every judge seeing cars different with the vague rules. There should be a hand book with pictures of everything and how it should be not just word of mouth and opinions and saying as original.
On the order date for the car. One of our club members ordered a new Ranger or Bronco about 6 months back and was not going to be built until I think this month. You can order from Ford even before the model build starts if you know the right people.
The car in the Marti was also an export model which the government regulations were different for them.


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