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460, opinion?
#1
Hi all,
Planning and mapping out my 460 build for my '73 and seeing how much I am gonna need money wise to complete it.
Can you tell me your opinion on what I have so far?
(71 429 out of a Lincoln, D0VE-C heads that are completely stock)

COMP Cams High Energy Cam and Lifter Kits K34-227-4
- http://www.summitracing.com/parts/cca-k3...oCTVDw_wcB


Carburetor, Summit M2008, 750 cfm, Square Bore, 4-Barrel, Manual Choke, Mechanical Secondary, with DVD, Each
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/sum-m08750ms

Stealth Intake Manifold 429
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/wnd-8012

Hooker Headers
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/hok-6115hkr

Gonna get a 460 crank second hand and have it turned to replace 429 crank.

No idea on pistons, going to need the machine shop to let me know if it needs bored once inspected but its a low miles block and I assume its ok. Would rather stay with standard bore. Looking at those "sealed power" rebuild kits on summit for like ~500 (seems high to me)


I want a mean but completely drivable car. Am I over spending somewhere? This stuff is adding up fast. Would this be a good build? What am I not thinking about (besides ignition system and of course the pistons)?
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#2
opethlike;212895 Wrote:Hi all,
Planning and mapping out my 460 build for my '73 and seeing how much I am gonna need money wise to complete it.
Can you tell me your opinion on what I have so far?
(71 429 out of a Lincoln, D0VE-C heads that are completely stock)

COMP Cams High Energy Cam and Lifter Kits K34-227-4
- http://www.summitracing.com/parts/cca-k3...oCTVDw_wcB


Carburetor, Summit M2008, 750 cfm, Square Bore, 4-Barrel, Manual Choke, Mechanical Secondary, with DVD, Each
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/sum-m08750ms

Stealth Intake Manifold 429
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/wnd-8012

Hooker Headers
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/hok-6115hkr

Gonna get a 460 crank second hand and have it turned to replace 429 crank.

No idea on pistons, going to need the machine shop to let me know if it needs bored once inspected but its a low miles block and I assume its ok. Would rather stay with standard bore. Looking at those "sealed power" rebuild kits on summit for like ~500 (seems high to me)


I want a mean but completely drivable car. Am I over spending somewhere? This stuff is adding up fast. Would this be a good build? What am I not thinking about (besides ignition system and of course the pistons)?

I would use a split duration cam. Something like this from Lunati. I am sure you can get something similar from Comp. http://www.summitracing.com/parts/lun-80460lk

I prefer Quick Fuel carbs but the Summit one should work fine. 750 cfm is good.

DO NOT USE A STEALTH INTAKE. An Edelbrock Perfomer RPM will have much better drivability.

If you have access to a cheap stock 460 rotating assembly in good condition use it. Ford made a fuelie piston with a 15cc dish which will give you a compression ratio of around 9.5:1 with the small chamber heads with the block 0 decked. However, if you have to buy a crank and pistons I would seriously consider a packaged stroker kit.

Make sure to use a pre 72 (straight up) timing set. I like the FRPP 9 way adjustable.

A recurved duraspark is a good budget electronic ignition.

Heads should be gone through and the valves replaced. Basic port work on the heads can be worth 30-50 hp.

73 conv. 460, D0VE large valve heads, Performer RPM manifold, Voodoo 227/233 cam, Holley 950 HP carb, C6 trans, 3.25 trak-loc.
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#3
opethlike,

Is there any issues with the 429 engine? It is not cheap to re-build a Ford motor anymore!

429-4V 385 Series V8 360 hp (270 kW) @ 4600 rpm 480 lb·ft (651 N·m) @ 3400 rpm 4-barrel 10.50:1 4.36" x 3.59" N

Since the 429 already makes 360 hp, and if your budget allows, plus the report from the machine is good, install Speed-Pro Forged Pistons L2366F30

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/slp-l2.../make/ford

I was going to recommend the roller cam conversion, but, dog gone it, there are expensive kits. May you should invest in a good set of roller rockers. Maybe you can take the cylinder heads and work them to improve the air flow.

Also, if you can, try to get this book.

http://www.amazon.com/Ford-Performance-P...1884089275

It is one of the best Ford performance books out there. IMO, the stock 1970-1971 429's were beasts to start with. It is the later models that Government got a hold of them.

mustang7173

+++ 1 with Qcode351mach!
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#4
2 websites you should check out are http://www.reincarnation-automotive.com/ and http://www.460ford.com/forum/ . talk to scotty at reincarnation he knows 460s and can point you in the right direction.The 460.com site has alot of good imformation on it if you do a search,and people who can help if you questions.

Jay
73 mach1
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#5
opethlike;212895 Wrote:Hi all,
Planning and mapping out my 460 build for my '73 and seeing how much I am gonna need money wise to complete it.
Can you tell me your opinion on what I have so far?
(71 429 out of a Lincoln, D0VE-C heads that are completely stock)

COMP Cams High Energy Cam and Lifter Kits K34-227-4
- http://www.summitracing.com/parts/cca-k3...oCTVDw_wcB


Carburetor, Summit M2008, 750 cfm, Square Bore, 4-Barrel, Manual Choke, Mechanical Secondary, with DVD, Each
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/sum-m08750ms

Stealth Intake Manifold 429
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/wnd-8012

Hooker Headers
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/hok-6115hkr

Gonna get a 460 crank second hand and have it turned to replace 429 crank.

No idea on pistons, going to need the machine shop to let me know if it needs bored once inspected but its a low miles block and I assume its ok. Would rather stay with standard bore. Looking at those "sealed power" rebuild kits on summit for like ~500 (seems high to me)


I want a mean but completely drivable car. Am I over spending somewhere? This stuff is adding up fast. Would this be a good build? What am I not thinking about (besides ignition system and of course the pistons)?

opethlike;212895 Wrote:Hi all,
Planning and mapping out my 460 build for my '73 and seeing how much I am gonna need money wise to complete it.
Can you tell me your opinion on what I have so far?
(71 429 out of a Lincoln, D0VE-C heads that are completely stock)

COMP Cams High Energy Cam and Lifter Kits K34-227-4
- http://www.summitracing.com/parts/cca-k3...oCTVDw_wcB


Carburetor, Summit M2008, 750 cfm, Square Bore, 4-Barrel, Manual Choke, Mechanical Secondary, with DVD, Each
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/sum-m08750ms

Stealth Intake Manifold 429
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/wnd-8012

Hooker Headers
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/hok-6115hkr

Gonna get a 460 crank second hand and have it turned to replace 429 crank.

No idea on pistons, going to need the machine shop to let me know if it needs bored once inspected but its a low miles block and I assume its ok. Would rather stay with standard bore. Looking at those "sealed power" rebuild kits on summit for like ~500 (seems high to me)


I want a mean but completely drivable car. Am I over spending somewhere? This stuff is adding up fast. Would this be a good build? What am I not thinking about (besides ignition system and of course the pistons)?

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#6
opethlike;212895 Wrote:Is there any issues with the 429 engine? It is not cheap to re-build a Ford motor anymore!

429-4V 385 Series V8 360 hp (270 kW) @ 4600 rpm 480 lb·ft (651 N·m) @ 3400 rpm 4-barrel 10.50:1 4.36" x 3.59" N

Since the 429 already makes 360 hp, and if your budget allows, plus the report from the machine is good, install Speed-Pro Forged Pistons L2366F30

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/slp-l2.../make/ford

I was going to recommend the roller cam conversion, but, dog gone it, there are expensive kits. May you should invest in a good set of roller rockers. Maybe you can take the cylinder heads and work them to improve the air flow.

Also, if you can, try to get this book.

http://www.amazon.com/Ford-Performance-P...1884089275

It is one of the best Ford performance books out there. IMO, the stock 1970-1971 429's were beasts to start with. It is the later models that Government got a hold of them.

mustang7173

Hey thanks for the reply man. You mean I should consider just going with the 429? I just figured putting that 460 crank in there was free horsepower, maybe not idk.
Yea I got a book someone else recommended "how to rebuild your big block ford" or named something similar. Its pretty detailed.

I do know a guy local that says he knows how to work the D0VE heads to make them flow great, something about the exhaust port I think I dunno.

TommyK;212899 Wrote:
opethlike;212895 Wrote:Hi all,
Planning and mapping out my 460 build for my '73 and seeing how much I am gonna need money wise to complete it.
Can you tell me your opinion on what I have so far?
(71 429 out of a Lincoln, D0VE-C heads that are completely stock)

COMP Cams High Energy Cam and Lifter Kits K34-227-4
- http://www.summitracing.com/parts/cca-k3...oCTVDw_wcB


Carburetor, Summit M2008, 750 cfm, Square Bore, 4-Barrel, Manual Choke, Mechanical Secondary, with DVD, Each
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/sum-m08750ms

Stealth Intake Manifold 429
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/wnd-8012

Hooker Headers
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/hok-6115hkr

Gonna get a 460 crank second hand and have it turned to replace 429 crank.

No idea on pistons, going to need the machine shop to let me know if it needs bored once inspected but its a low miles block and I assume its ok. Would rather stay with standard bore. Looking at those "sealed power" rebuild kits on summit for like ~500 (seems high to me)


I want a mean but completely drivable car. Am I over spending somewhere? This stuff is adding up fast. Would this be a good build? What am I not thinking about (besides ignition system and of course the pistons)?

I would use a split duration cam. Something like this from Lunati. I am sure you can get something similar from Comp. http://www.summitracing.com/parts/lun-80460lk

I prefer Quick Fuel carbs but the Summit one should work fine. 750 cfm is good.

DO NOT USE A STEALTH INTAKE. An Edelbrock Perfomer RPM will have much better drivability.

If you have access to a cheap stock 460 rotating assembly in good condition use it. Ford made a fuelie piston with a 15cc dish which will give you a compression ratio of around 9.5:1 with the small chamber heads with the block 0 decked. However, if you have to buy a crank and pistons I would seriously consider a packaged stroker kit.

Make sure to use a pre 72 (straight up) timing set. I like the FRPP 9 way adjustable.

A recurved duraspark is a good budget electronic ignition.

Heads should be gone through and the valves replaced. Basic port work on the heads can be worth 30-50 hp.

Thanks for the reply man! Great info.
What do you mean by straight up timing set?
I do know a rotating 460 local, dude wants 250 for it which I feel is a bit steep but maybe not. You saying I should reuse those pistons?
Sorry for the dumb questions, learning as I go here.
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#7
opethlike;212925 Wrote:It will be able to drive in more than a straight line man lol.
And yea I am well aware of all that, I am not asking about that. This is not "should i put big block in my mustang or not" thread. not really trying to get deep into the weeds there, just want to talk about engine build.
Ok.. then I misunderstood your post thought you wanted to know everything your going to need not just the "engine" part of the equation & thought you wanted to know if it was a good path to follow building a 429 vs ? ..Best of luck with the build.

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#8
You are correct in that the 460 crank will be free HP (read that TORQUE).

Keep in mind that the 429 and 460 share the same pistons and rods. The difference is in the stroke of the crankshaft. So, you can use the 460 crank along with the 429 rods and pistons. They also share the same blocks and heads (at least as it relates to the D0VE-Cs).

You can go to my garage and see ALL the parts I utilized in building my 472 (429 block bored .060 over with 460 crank) 1973 Grandé. This motor easily makes in excess of 500HP and has a TREMENDOUS amount of torque which is what you need on the street. HP is actually overrated (on the street) in my opinionSmile.

BT

Do the RIGHT thing.
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#9
I thought the compression height of the pistons differed between 429's and 460's?

The rods are the same and so is the deck height of the block, so to accommodate the different strokes, the piston pin is in a different spot...

I will also urge you to spend some time here:

http://www.460ford.com/forum/

The stickys have basic recipes for power levels and you can see what kind of components you'll need to reach your goals....
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#10
cobra3073;212930 Wrote:You are correct in that the 460 crank will be free HP (read that TORQUE).

Keep in mind that the 429 and 460 share the same pistons and rods. The difference is in the stroke of the crankshaft. So, you can use the 460 crank along with the 429 rods and pistons. They also share the same blocks and heads (at least as it relates to the D0VE-Cs).

You can go to my garage and see ALL the parts I utilized in building my 472 (429 block bored .060 over with 460 crank) 1973 Grandé. This motor easily makes in excess of 500HP and has a TREMENDOUS amount of torque which is what you need on the street. HP is actually overrated (on the street) in my opinionSmile.

BT

BT,

If I am not mistaken I believe the 429 piston is a different compression height and will not interchange.

TK

opethlike;212925 Wrote:
opethlike;212895 Wrote:Is there any issues with the 429 engine? It is not cheap to re-build a Ford motor anymore!

429-4V 385 Series V8 360 hp (270 kW) @ 4600 rpm 480 lb·ft (651 N·m) @ 3400 rpm 4-barrel 10.50:1 4.36" x 3.59" N

Since the 429 already makes 360 hp, and if your budget allows, plus the report from the machine is good, install Speed-Pro Forged Pistons L2366F30

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/slp-l2.../make/ford

I was going to recommend the roller cam conversion, but, dog gone it, there are expensive kits. May you should invest in a good set of roller rockers. Maybe you can take the cylinder heads and work them to improve the air flow.

Also, if you can, try to get this book.

http://www.amazon.com/Ford-Performance-P...1884089275

It is one of the best Ford performance books out there. IMO, the stock 1970-1971 429's were beasts to start with. It is the later models that Government got a hold of them.

mustang7173

Hey thanks for the reply man. You mean I should consider just going with the 429? I just figured putting that 460 crank in there was free horsepower, maybe not idk.
Yea I got a book someone else recommended "how to rebuild your big block ford" or named something similar. Its pretty detailed.

I do know a guy local that says he knows how to work the D0VE heads to make them flow great, something about the exhaust port I think I dunno.

TommyK;212899 Wrote:
opethlike;212895 Wrote:Hi all,
Planning and mapping out my 460 build for my '73 and seeing how much I am gonna need money wise to complete it.
Can you tell me your opinion on what I have so far?
(71 429 out of a Lincoln, D0VE-C heads that are completely stock)

COMP Cams High Energy Cam and Lifter Kits K34-227-4
- http://www.summitracing.com/parts/cca-k3...oCTVDw_wcB


Carburetor, Summit M2008, 750 cfm, Square Bore, 4-Barrel, Manual Choke, Mechanical Secondary, with DVD, Each
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/sum-m08750ms

Stealth Intake Manifold 429
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/wnd-8012

Hooker Headers
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/hok-6115hkr

Gonna get a 460 crank second hand and have it turned to replace 429 crank.

No idea on pistons, going to need the machine shop to let me know if it needs bored once inspected but its a low miles block and I assume its ok. Would rather stay with standard bore. Looking at those "sealed power" rebuild kits on summit for like ~500 (seems high to me)


I want a mean but completely drivable car. Am I over spending somewhere? This stuff is adding up fast. Would this be a good build? What am I not thinking about (besides ignition system and of course the pistons)?

I would use a split duration cam. Something like this from Lunati. I am sure you can get something similar from Comp. http://www.summitracing.com/parts/lun-80460lk

I prefer Quick Fuel carbs but the Summit one should work fine. 750 cfm is good.

DO NOT USE A STEALTH INTAKE. An Edelbrock Perfomer RPM will have much better drivability.

If you have access to a cheap stock 460 rotating assembly in good condition use it. Ford made a fuelie piston with a 15cc dish which will give you a compression ratio of around 9.5:1 with the small chamber heads with the block 0 decked. However, if you have to buy a crank and pistons I would seriously consider a packaged stroker kit.

Make sure to use a pre 72 (straight up) timing set. I like the FRPP 9 way adjustable.

A recurved duraspark is a good budget electronic ignition.

Heads should be gone through and the valves replaced. Basic port work on the heads can be worth 30-50 hp.

Thanks for the reply man! Great info.
What do you mean by straight up timing set?
I do know a rotating 460 local, dude wants 250 for it which I feel is a bit steep but maybe not. You saying I should reuse those pistons?
Sorry for the dumb questions, learning as I go here.

It would depend on what dish those pistons have (to acheive proper compression ratio) and how the bores in the block measure as to whether you can use the pistons. If it were me I would plan on having the block bored .030 over and buying pistons with the correct compression height and dish. You will also want to know if the crank you are buying is an internal balance crank or an external balance crank.

Carb'd 429/460 engines made after 1971 used a timing chain set with camshaft retard built in for emmissions reasons. Not good for performance.

73 conv. 460, D0VE large valve heads, Performer RPM manifold, Voodoo 227/233 cam, Holley 950 HP carb, C6 trans, 3.25 trak-loc.
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