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4 Wheel disc brakes standard vs power
#1
Big Grin
Hello all,
have 4 wheel discs for my 71 Mach. Used to be power disc and drum.
My question given how much better brakes these 4 piston 12 inch wilwoods will be, what about will I need power brakes or will standard be okay?
Anyone using 4 wheel standard discs?
Thanks guys
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#2
don't waste your time with wilwood. they sound attractive but its going to be harder to find parts for.

do the 94-04 cobra brakes conversion because you could buy all the parts from a parts store.

there are two suppliers for our cars.

http://www.streetortrack.com

http://www.vintagevenom.com

check em out.

i have all of the cobra brakes and i stop my car on a dime especially on a 1/4 track.
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#3
xoliex;81776 Wrote:don't waste your time with wilwood. they sound attractive but its going to be harder to find parts for.

do the 94-04 cobra brakes conversion because you could buy all the parts from a parts store.

there are two suppliers for our cars.

http://www.streetortrack.com

http://www.vintagevenom.com

check em out.

i have all of the cobra brakes and i stop my car on a dime especially on a 1/4 track.
Sorry already have wilwoods, yes pads are $90 and calipers are $125 but it is what I have.
Just trying to see what people think of power vs standard.
Thanks for your response though.
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#4
jennyrn95630@yahoo.com;81783 Wrote:
xoliex;81776 Wrote:don't waste your time with wilwood. they sound attractive but its going to be harder to find parts for.

do the 94-04 cobra brakes conversion because you could buy all the parts from a parts store.

there are two suppliers for our cars.

http://www.streetortrack.com

http://www.vintagevenom.com

check em out.

i have all of the cobra brakes and i stop my car on a dime especially on a 1/4 track.
Sorry already have wilwoods, yes pads are $90 and calipers are $125 but it is what I have.
Just trying to see what people think of power vs standard.
Thanks for your response though.

if your going to be a exclusive street driver then power is what you want and most likely you'll have the vacuum for it so go power. guys that go manual just use it cuz thats how thier car came from the factory. however, if you want to go hydraulic clutch then thats also the way to go. i want to get american powertrain's hydromax kit but i'm so afraid it'll not fit with the booster. i have staired at that spot for hours with the motor removed just to see it'll even work with it there.

definitely go with all 4 disc brakes. ditch the old crappy combination valve. on the front brakes just use a TEE fitting and put a adjusting prop valve on the rear brakes.
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#5
I have 4 wheel disc brakes on my 71 and they are non-power. They definately stop much better than the all 4 drums did. But if you have to stop in a hurry you better have some leg power! They are hard to push but i have gotten used to them. I am planning on swapping to the power disc brakes this winter. I have the underdash bracket, pedal, boost and MC off of the parts car that i got the spindles of off. I am using a ford 8.8 rearend out of a sport trac explorer. It came with factory disc brakes, posi, and 3.73 gears. And is very close in width to our original rears. Wasnt a bad swap at all and parts are very cheap and easy to get for that rear.
Kevin

Kevin

1971 Mach 1
408C Stroker
C4 w/3,000 stall
8.8" Rear w/3.73's
Disc brakes all way around.

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#6
turtle5353;81785 Wrote:I have 4 wheel disc brakes on my 71 and they are non-power. They definately stop much better than the all 4 drums did. But if you have to stop in a hurry you better have some leg power! They are hard to push but i have gotten used to them. I am planning on swapping to the power disc brakes this winter. I have the underdash bracket, pedal, boost and MC off of the parts car that i got the spindles of off. I am using a ford 8.8 rearend out of a sport trac explorer. It came with factory disc brakes, posi, and 3.73 gears. And is very close in width to our original rears. Wasnt a bad swap at all and parts are very cheap and easy to get for that rear.
Kevin

See now I have 4 wheel disc non power and with the properly sized mc have no issues with the pedal being hard to push. It will even lock the wheels up if needed. So the key is to match everything. Wilwood has a decent tech line as long as the problems are not to difficult.
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xoliex;81784 Wrote:
jennyrn95630@yahoo.com;81783 Wrote:
xoliex;81776 Wrote:don't waste your time with wilwood. they sound attractive but its going to be harder to find parts for.

do the 94-04 cobra brakes conversion because you could buy all the parts from a parts store.

there are two suppliers for our cars.

http://www.streetortrack.com

http://www.vintagevenom.com

check em out.

i have all of the cobra brakes and i stop my car on a dime especially on a 1/4 track.
Sorry already have wilwoods, yes pads are $90 and calipers are $125 but it is what I have.
Just trying to see what people think of power vs standard.
Thanks for your response though.

if your going to be a exclusive street driver then power is what you want and most likely you'll have the vacuum for it so go power. guys that go manual just use it cuz thats how thier car came from the factory. however, if you want to go hydraulic clutch then thats also the way to go. i want to get american powertrain's hydromax kit but i'm so afraid it'll not fit with the booster. i have staired at that spot for hours with the motor removed just to see it'll even work with it there.

definitely go with all 4 disc brakes. ditch the old crappy combination valve. on the front brakes just use a TEE fitting and put a adjusting prop valve on the rear brakes.
Isn't it terrible how we drive ourselves crazy trying to figure things out. We won't be at this stage for installation for many months yet (just got it back from stripping and it is at body now, then to paint) I appreciate the time you've taken in responding. Driving a 521 6 speed should be a handful. My street will be automatic with ratchet shifter.

turtle5353;81785 Wrote:I have 4 wheel disc brakes on my 71 and they are non-power. They definately stop much better than the all 4 drums did. But if you have to stop in a hurry you better have some leg power! They are hard to push but i have gotten used to them. I am planning on swapping to the power disc brakes this winter. I have the underdash bracket, pedal, boost and MC off of the parts car that i got the spindles of off. I am using a ford 8.8 rearend out of a sport trac explorer. It came with factory disc brakes, posi, and 3.73 gears. And is very close in width to our original rears. Wasnt a bad swap at all and parts are very cheap and easy to get for that rear.
Kevin
Kevin,
sounds like the explorer rear is a good way to go. Thanks for giving your insight.
Jenny
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Tnfastbk;81789 Wrote:
turtle5353;81785 Wrote:I have 4 wheel disc brakes on my 71 and they are non-power. They definately stop much better than the all 4 drums did. But if you have to stop in a hurry you better have some leg power! They are hard to push but i have gotten used to them. I am planning on swapping to the power disc brakes this winter. I have the underdash bracket, pedal, boost and MC off of the parts car that i got the spindles of off. I am using a ford 8.8 rearend out of a sport trac explorer. It came with factory disc brakes, posi, and 3.73 gears. And is very close in width to our original rears. Wasnt a bad swap at all and parts are very cheap and easy to get for that rear.
Kevin

See now I have 4 wheel disc non power and with the properly sized mc have no issues with the pedal being hard to push. It will even lock the wheels up if needed. So the key is to match everything. Wilwood has a decent tech line as long as the problems are not to difficult.

Roy, im still running the stock Mc from the drum brakes. i just havent switched it yet because I was waiting till winter to just put on the power setup i have laying in the garage. If i didnt have the power set up i would definately be looking for another mc or something cause my pedal is tough!! LOL.

Kevin

1971 Mach 1
408C Stroker
C4 w/3,000 stall
8.8" Rear w/3.73's
Disc brakes all way around.

[Image: 28ivsix.png]




                                                                                             
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#9
turtle5353;81795 Wrote:
Tnfastbk;81789 Wrote:
turtle5353;81785 Wrote:I have 4 wheel disc brakes on my 71 and they are non-power. They definately stop much better than the all 4 drums did. But if you have to stop in a hurry you better have some leg power! They are hard to push but i have gotten used to them. I am planning on swapping to the power disc brakes this winter. I have the underdash bracket, pedal, boost and MC off of the parts car that i got the spindles of off. I am using a ford 8.8 rearend out of a sport trac explorer. It came with factory disc brakes, posi, and 3.73 gears. And is very close in width to our original rears. Wasnt a bad swap at all and parts are very cheap and easy to get for that rear.
Kevin


See now I have 4 wheel disc non power and with the properly sized mc have no issues with the pedal being hard to push. It will even lock the wheels up if needed. So the key is to match everything. Wilwood has a decent tech line as long as the problems are not to difficult.

Roy, im still running the stock Mc from the drum brakes. i just havent switched it yet because I was waiting till winter to just put on the power setup i have laying in the garage. If i didnt have the power set up i would definately be looking for another mc or something cause my pedal is tough!! LOL.

LOl i hear ya, o'well builds one strong leg anyways
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#10
xoliex, did the same setup as me ..street or track 04 Cobra conversation..Manual..I supplied him all the part numbers sources to buy everything much cheaper..calipers..bearings..pads rotors etc..all you need from sot is the conversion kit...

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