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351w- like/dislike?
#1
I am just curious. When it comes to the 351w or Windsor based strokers, what do you think of them? I'm not trying to start a Cleveland vs Windsor debate, but what do you think of these motors? It seems like most people don't want them in their '71-73's because they didn't come in those cars. Is it just a purist thing?
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#2
2v W engines and 2v C engines both came in 71 mustangs. It was the luck of the draw and there was nothing that distinguished which engine the car received. It was an H code car either way.

I like and have owned them both. The C engine is higher revving and the W makes more torque if I recall correctly.

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71 M-code Mach 1, Medium Blue/White Sport, 4R70W, 3L50, Factory Ram Air.
72 Q-code Mach 1, Pewter/Black Sport, 4-spd, 3L25.
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#3
The bore/stroke is the same. Some differences in bearing sizes. The heads/valves are the big difference. Clevelands had canted valves, bigger valves and bigger ports. They breath better.

There is tons of aftermarket support for the windsor. Some really nice heads available and lots of go fast parts.

'Mike'
73 Convertible - 351C/4V CC heads/4bolt/forged flat tops/comp 270/rhodes/mallory unilite/tri-power/hookers/glasspacks/c6/3.50 limited slip/Gear Vendors/Global West sub frames, strut rods and shelby style traction bars/ Rear sway bar/tilt steering (not original)

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#4
A Windsor is a potential candidate for my '71.

I have a late, roller-ready 68K-ish shortblock that a lot of my squirreled away 5.0 stuff will fit (GT40X alloy heads, several roller cams, lifters, timing sets, roller rockers, stud girdle, etc.).
It would be a low budget grenade build for sure.
Headers alone for the "other" potential 460 install will be about double the cost of what will be in the Windsor, installed and running... with either an AOD or T5 behind it (that I can't do with the 460)...

Yeah, the cool factor wouldn't be nearly as high, but driveability and gas mileage would be...

Decisions, decisions.

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'71 Sportsroof 351C-4V/4-speed - FINALLY under construction - no, wait, on hold again...
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#5
I currently have a 351w powered car that is warmed up nicely with usual go fast goodies {comp 280 cam/ported D00E heads/stealth intake/ 4 barrel carb/ headers/ yada yada} and a stock 351c 2v in my 73 with headman longtubes and dual exhaust. The cleveland sounds way better, looks cooler and just feels stronger, the windsor revs out faster though but I'm sure it because of the cam. If I had to give up one of my engines it would be the Windsor without a second thought.

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MotoArts;108772 Wrote:A Windsor is a potential candidate for my '71.

I have a late, roller-ready 68K-ish shortblock that a lot of my squirreled away 5.0 stuff will fit (GT40X alloy heads, several roller cams, lifters, timing sets, roller rockers, stud girdle, etc.).
It would be a low budget grenade build for sure.
Headers alone for the "other" potential 460 install will be about double the cost of what will be in the Windsor, installed and running... with either an AOD or T5 behind it (that I can't do with the 460)...

Yeah, the cool factor wouldn't be nearly as high, but driveability and gas mileage would be...

Decisions, decisions.

Well, with a few extra dollars here and there you can have an awesome Windsor. Stroker internals cost almost as much as "non-stroker" internals. After that, you have the option of carb, fuel injection and bulletproof transmissions. I have a built 393w and I love it. One thing I have learned about the Windsor is that heads are key.
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#7
Don65Stang;108760 Wrote:2v W engines and 2v C engines both came in 71 mustangs. It was the luck of the draw and there was nothing that distinguished which engine the car received. It was an H code car either way.


Are you sure? I've never heard of or seen a 351W in any 71. In 1970 model year they changed to 351Cs so 351Ws can be found in them.

Rick Bombard
1971 Grabber Green Mach 1 351C 4V
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#8
I"ve had both versions over the years,each was a good engine.I just like the way the C sounds & seemed to pull better.

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#9
71mach351;108803 Wrote:
Don65Stang;108760 Wrote:2v W engines and 2v C engines both came in 71 mustangs. It was the luck of the draw and there was nothing that distinguished which engine the car received. It was an H code car either way.


Are you sure? I've never heard of or seen a 351W in any 71. In 1970 model year they changed to 351Cs so 351Ws can be found in them.

I agree

In 1971 the Mach 1 started with a base engine of the 302ci based Windsor motor, with a 2 barrel carburetor, followed by four optional 351 Cleveland engines - the 2-V, 4-V, the C.J.(Cobra Jet) and H.O.(BOSS 351). The H.O was canceled after mid-year 1971, and shortly thereafter the low-compression 351 'Cobra Jet' became available. At the top were two 429ci options, the CJ (Cobra Jet) & SCJ (Super Cobra Jet). Mach 1s, as well as all other Mustang models (except the BOSS 351) were available with the optional CJ and SCJ motors. The SCJ came with a drag pack V or W code rear gears, oil cooler and a different rotating assembly. 429 Super Cobra Jet engines used 780cfm Holley 4-barrel carburetors, while the Cobra Jet engines utilized GM-sourced Rochester Quadra-Jets
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#10
I'm convinced..
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