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1972 351 ram air
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(07-05-2014, 09:58 PM)rottenralph Wrote: I have Holley intake, 4v heads, Summit 600 cfm, full length headers, great big exhaust going into flowmasters, MSD ignition also and it feels under powered. Tune needs major work but maybe I need the ram air. 4 Speed must be nice. Can't currently burn the tires with full throttle acceleration.

Like others have said, maybe you have some tall gearing in the rear or something wacky with your timing. I have a stock 302 from an 80's something car. A factory iron 1965 289 4bbl intake with a Holley 600. Rear is 3:00 and a 3spd. In first if you smash it say goodbye to the tires. It will break traction in second if I shift right.
I'd imagine any 351C would do circles around a stock 302 car.

On Topic: I'm going to add the ram air style hood on mine when a decent candidate comes along for the price. I'm not worried about being functional as eventually I'm going EFI.


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Just a rough estimate Rotten... the items mentioned would amount to an accumulative sum less than an over priced plenum.


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I was specifically referring to factory ram air in terms of overall car value, not performance. Most options are worth more when installed at the factory. My newest acquisition is a 1972 mach 1, 351 2V ram air. It also has tilt wheel, air cond, PS, Pwr front discs. Debating how much money to put into it, hence the original ram air value question.
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andy72;186941 Wrote:I was specifically referring to factory ram air in terms of overall car value, not performance. Most options are worth more when installed at the factory. My newest acquisition is a 1972 mach 1, 351 2V ram air. It also has tilt wheel, air cond, PS, Pwr front discs. Debating how much money to put into it, hence the original ram air value question.
Run an elite Marti wouldn't be surprised if you end up joining the 1of1 club with that 1.

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andy72;186941 Wrote:I was specifically referring to factory ram air in terms of overall car value, not performance. Most options are worth more when installed at the factory. My newest acquisition is a 1972 mach 1, 351 2V ram air. It also has tilt wheel, air cond, PS, Pwr front discs. Debating how much money to put into it, hence the original ram air value question.

Well of course. So take the 2000.00 it would take to purchase the plenum if it didnt already have it, because that is the only difference. To be fair if the car is worth 15000 without then a margin of 1000 to 1500 MAY be fair. Some buyers might pay 2,000 and others would expect 800 to 1000. A guy with a lot of money would pay 3000.00 just to say he had the option. Remember this option is on a 351 and people like the bigger options that really raise value like a 429. (we are funny about motors and 4spds) Since your car came with it and everything is functional I'd stick around the 1500 mark. True value would be affected by the car having some fun trinkets on it and the buyer, the RAM AIR is one of those interesting trinkets. Let Gas Monkey or the Count or other fun make believe resto shows try to sell it, and it would be worth 5000.00

Should you invest in the car? depends what condition the whole car is in before you start and the quality you put in it to complete it.


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So, spending 600 to 1000 to get plenum, a/c and plumbing might get you some extra money.
in order for this to matter you would probably also need numbers matching car with no mods, correct? While on this subject, how does one value a marti confirmed 1 of 1 car? Saw one on ebay for 70 grand with original paint, seems a bit steep to me. Not trying to hijack, generally interested in same subject because value is an illusive target to figure out. Generally value is what others are willing to pay for it.

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Andy,

Sounds like a very nicely optioned car worth saving. Definitely interesting to see what a Marti report shows as suggested.

Here is a valuation of a base Mach with ram air from NADA and you can see how they value the ram air option. All your other options would certainly add more value.

1972 Ford Mustang Mach 1
2 Door Fastback

MSRP Low
Retail Average
Retail High
Retail
Base Price $3,003 $7,525 $17,500 $30,100
Options: (change)
Ram Air Induction 15% 15% 15%
TOTAL PRICE: $3,003 $8,653 $20,125 $34,615

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rottenralph;186997 Wrote:So, spending 600 to 1000 to get plenum, a/c and plumbing might get you some extra money.
in order for this to matter you would probably also need numbers matching car with no mods, correct? While on this subject, how does one value a marti confirmed 1 of 1 car? Saw one on ebay for 70 grand with original paint, seems a bit steep to me. Not trying to hijack, generally interested in same subject because value is an illusive target to figure out. Generally value is what others are willing to pay for it.
Matching numbers no mods,correct,well that's how I see it. Slightly different here than state side. I have a 1of1 stock H code, would I have paid more for it if I had of known before I brought it,then the answer is no for me. It's worth whatever someone's willing to pay I guess and a few bs points amongst your mates. Unless it was a boss or 429 car then it may be worth something but again that's just me I am sure others see it differently.

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MAybe I can sell my hood grilles(ram air delete pretty grilles) http://www.ebay.com/itm/NOS-1971-1972-19...7f&vxp=mtr to put towards real ram air. Ram air certainly looks cooler and turbo ram air is really cool.


Here is your hood in the Wisconson area. For some reason they appear to have drilled the hood pins in the wrong spot. Not sure if it is considered a good deal but it does have the spots for the cutaways for hood pins where they belong. http://www.ebay.com/itm/71-73-Ford-Musta...76&vxp=mtr

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Nice answer Jeff. NADA prices interesting compared to Haggerty classic car valuations which put a cond. 4 at 17,600, and a cond. 3 at 25,500. ? Lot's of options, maybe it's worth restoration
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