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1971 351C 2V Intake and carb question.
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The PO of my 73 vert with H code put the Edelbrock Performer intake on and Holley 4-V carb. The carb needs a rebuild for sure sat for 27 years. The intake fits great and I am not a carb. expert at all. He also put headers on but I cannot say what brand.
On another car I bought was an H code with three speed and PO had just put new Pypes exhaust with ceramic coated headers on. Here are some pics of the headers with the part number you can probably look up on the net. Was P.S., PDB car also and nothing was in the way and the exhaust was tucked up high so the collectors did not hit anything.
If you buy the 2-V headers they will not work with 4-V heads if he switches later so keep that in mind.
I put a 2-V header next to 4-V head to show the difference. The 2-V and 4-V gaskets are on the floor also. The 4-V gasket on top of a 2-V to show the difference.
Pic of a spare 2-V to 4-V intake and intake by a 4-V head.
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(01-04-2019, 10:48 AM)Carolina_Mountain_Mustangs Wrote: The PO of my 73 vert with H code put the Edelbrock Performer intake on and Holley 4-V carb. The carb needs a rebuild for sure sat for 27 years. The intake fits great and I am not a carb. expert at all. He also put headers on but I cannot say what brand.
On another car I bought was an H code with three speed and PO had just put new Pypes exhaust with ceramic coated headers on. Here are some pics of the headers with the part number you can probably look up on the net. Was P.S., PDB car also and nothing was in the way and the exhaust was tucked up high so the collectors did not hit anything.
If you buy the 2-V headers they will not work with 4-V heads if he switches later so keep that in mind.
I put a 2-V header next to 4-V head to show the difference. The 2-V and 4-V gaskets are on the floor also. The 4-V gasket on top of a 2-V to show the difference.
Pic of a spare 2-V to 4-V intake and intake by a 4-V head.
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what is the chemical formula of aluminum oxide


Thanks David.  Those appear to be Patriot headers. They claim that you need a bracket to clear power steering. Do you recall seeing any bracket??

Kevin

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408C Stroker
C4 w/3,000 stall
8.8" Rear w/3.73's
Disc brakes all way around.

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(01-04-2019, 10:58 AM)turtle5353 Wrote:
(01-04-2019, 10:48 AM)Carolina_Mountain_Mustangs Wrote: The PO of my 73 vert with H code put the Edelbrock Performer intake on and Holley 4-V carb. The carb needs a rebuild for sure sat for 27 years. The intake fits great and I am not a carb. expert at all. He also put headers on but I cannot say what brand.
On another car I bought was an H code with three speed and PO had just put new Pypes exhaust with ceramic coated headers on. Here are some pics of the headers with the part number you can probably look up on the net. Was P.S., PDB car also and nothing was in the way and the exhaust was tucked up high so the collectors did not hit anything.
If you buy the 2-V headers they will not work with 4-V heads if he switches later so keep that in mind.
I put a 2-V header next to 4-V head to show the difference. The 2-V and 4-V gaskets are on the floor also. The 4-V gasket on top of a 2-V to show the difference.
Pic of a spare 2-V to 4-V intake and intake by a 4-V head.
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[Image: 100-3550.jpg]

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what is the chemical formula of aluminum oxide


Thanks David.  Those appear to be Patriot headers. They claim that you need a bracket to clear power steering. Do you recall seeing any bracket??

I do not recall any bracket. The steering box is still on the chassis. One bolt did not want to come out.


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turtle Wrote:Hemikiller, do those headers fit with power steering?? The ad says they will not work, just wondering if you know for sure??  Do they come in anything  other than black?

Yes, they fit fine with PS, the Summit app guide is wrong. There is no bracket for the 71-73 with the integral power steering. That's a 65-70 Mustang/Cougar problem with the external assist ram.

Summit also sells them in various coatings, but the cost is more than double. 

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/hok-6921-1hkr

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/hok-6921-3hkr


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(01-04-2019, 07:07 AM)turtle5353 Wrote: Back in the day for simplicity, I always went straight to an edelbrock carb on my stock or slightly modified motors, just like Eric did with his. Never had any trouble with them, straight out of the box just set the idle.  

I am far from being a carb tuner!

And the gentleman that i'm doing this for does not want to have to touch once its installed.

I just don't want to have to fight it to get it to run properly.

I will look into the quick fuel and the summit brand carbs too.

i have tuned literally over 500 carbs, with the majority being holleys but several were eddys, and i tune them and the timing etc until the engines run perfectly, and i can tell you with a lot of first hand experience that IF an eddy needs to be tuned, it can be a nightmare and may not be able to be tuned properly because of the limited amount of tuning parts they make for it. of course, there will be instances where an eddy just happens to work "acceptably" well enough to use right out of the box, but in my experience, that percentage is extremely low.

in contrast, holleys are easy to tune and you do not have to buy an entire $65.00 kit just to try and tune them like you do with the eddys.

i also doubt that you do not want to be in a position where you buy an eddy carb and it does not work properly right out of the box and you can't seem to get it to work as well as the customer wants and then you need to start a thread titled. "HOW DO I TUNE THIS POS EDDY CARBURETOR?"

I will also add that i have in fact bought cars that had fairly new eddys on them that did not run quite right and i simply took them off and literally gave them away for free just to not put myself thru the possibility of the carb not being able to be runed properly or just because i didn't have the tuning parts left that i needed and didn't want to fork out another $65.00 for them.

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I also have the Hooker Competition 2V headers (ceramic coated) with a stock power steering gearbox, and they fit just fine with no issues.  They were easy enough to snake down from the top, even though there's more room on the passenger side to install from the bottom (I was on a lift at the time, just made more sense).

I also have an AOD, with a larger valve body than the FMX, and they still fit just fine (albeit a bit closer thanks to the larger valve body).

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I admit that I would've preferred they come back straight, rather than taper in, but I haven't had any weird transmission heat-related issues... probably due to the ceramic coating helping with the temps.

Eric

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(01-04-2019, 03:45 PM)barnett468 Wrote:
(01-04-2019, 07:07 AM)turtle5353 Wrote: Back in the day for simplicity, I always went straight to an edelbrock carb on my stock or slightly modified motors, just like Eric did with his. Never had any trouble with them, straight out of the box just set the idle.  

I am far from being a carb tuner!

And the gentleman that i'm doing this for does not want to have to touch once its installed.

I just don't want to have to fight it to get it to run properly.

I will look into the quick fuel and the summit brand carbs too.

i have tuned literally over 500 carbs, with the majority being holleys but several were eddys, and i tune them and the timing etc until the engines run perfectly, and i can tell you with a lot of first hand experience that IF an eddy needs to be tuned, it can be a nightmare and may not be able to be tuned properly because of the limited amount of tuning parts they make for it. of course, there will be instances where an eddy just happens to work "acceptably" well enough to use right out of the box, but in my experience, that percentage is extremely low.

in contrast, holleys are easy to tune and you do not have to buy an entire $65.00 kit just to try and tune them like you do with the eddys.

i also doubt that you do not want to be in a position where you buy an eddy carb and it does not work properly right out of the box and you can't seem to get it to work as well as the customer wants and then you need to start a thread titled. "HOW DO I TUNE THIS POS EDDY CARBURETOR?"

I will also add that i have in fact bought cars that had fairly new eddys on them that did not run quite right and i simply took them off and literally gave them away for free just to not put myself thru the possibility of the carb not being able to be runed properly or just because i didn't have the tuning parts left that i needed and didn't want to fork out another $65.00 for them.

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(01-04-2019, 08:08 PM)midlife Wrote:
(01-04-2019, 03:45 PM)barnett468 Wrote:
(01-04-2019, 07:07 AM)turtle5353 Wrote: Back in the day for simplicity, I always went straight to an edelbrock carb on my stock or slightly modified motors, just like Eric did with his. Never had any trouble with them, straight out of the box just set the idle.  

I am far from being a carb tuner!

And the gentleman that i'm doing this for does not want to have to touch once its installed.

I just don't want to have to fight it to get it to run properly.

I will look into the quick fuel and the summit brand carbs too.

i have tuned literally over 500 carbs, with the majority being holleys but several were eddys, and i tune them and the timing etc until the engines run perfectly, and i can tell you with a lot of first hand experience that IF an eddy needs to be tuned, it can be a nightmare and may not be able to be tuned properly because of the limited amount of tuning parts they make for it. of course, there will be instances where an eddy just happens to work "acceptably" well enough to use right out of the box, but in my experience, that percentage is extremely low.

in contrast, holleys are easy to tune and you do not have to buy an entire $65.00 kit just to try and tune them like you do with the eddys.

i also doubt that you do not want to be in a position where you buy an eddy carb and it does not work properly right out of the box and you can't seem to get it to work as well as the customer wants and then you need to start a thread titled. "HOW DO I TUNE THIS POS EDDY CARBURETOR?"

I will also add that i have in fact bought cars that had fairly new eddys on them that did not run quite right and i simply took them off and literally gave them away for free just to not put myself thru the possibility of the carb not being able to be runed properly or just because i didn't have the tuning parts left that i needed and didn't want to fork out another $65.00 for them.

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Well I was going to but I didn't want to sound bias, lol.

By the way, hows the remodeling going?

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Got two General Contractors (finally!) to look at the house and make bids; roofers started today and fencing on 2nd of 3rd day of work. Progress! Still looking a 4-6 months before we can fully move back into the house.

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With all of the damage in the area you're probably lucky you even found a contractor available. You might've had to trade your wire cutters in on saws and your crimpers for hammers.



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