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Gone in 60 Seconds (1974) - Eleanor observations, was Halicki really a car thief, etc
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    Gone in 60 Seconds (1974) - Eleanor observations, was Halicki really a car thief, etc

    EDIT: See page #2 for pictures and detail breakdowns (plus Eleanor's front end clip and VIN swap!), and page #3 for Ron Moore's damning interview.

    I'll post screenshots once I have the time, but after viewing Halicki's film tonight, I have a few observations I'd like to share:

    Expanding on some interior comments made in the past:

    1. The damaged Eleanor has the standard '71/72/73 Mustang interior, dash and door panels. The standard door panel is visible as Halicki exits the damaged Eleanor at the car wash, and the closeup of the dash on the highway - a standard dash - shows us that the car has no tachometer (and therefore no instrumentation group).

    Yet, as the damaged Eleanor exits the car wash - amongst a number of other scenes - we see Clarion Knit seats from a Deluxe interior installed in this car. The "Eleanor Raceway 2000" segment at the end of the film shows that the wrecked Eleanor has Deluxe Clarion Knit seats, but they've been re-upholstered, and not factory correct either: The vertical vinyl accent stripes are black; they should be dark silver (as seen in the film, when visible).

    2. The "beauty" Eleanor has a Deluxe interior (deluxe dash bezel, woodgrain center, deluxe door panels), but carries the standard Ruffino/Corinthian Vinyl seats. The standard seats are also seen as Halicki pries the door latch on Eleanor #2.

    The closeup of Halicki buckling up at the International Towers shows a bare driveshaft hump paired with the standard seats, indicating that this deluxe interior car was ordered without the full center console.

    However, a scene just after the Moran Cadillac segment - plus those at the car wash - show a tachometer in the dash and gauges on the center dash panel. This car has the instrumentation group.

    Final conclusiosn?

    Wrecked Eleanor is a factory standard-interior car without the instrumentation group, wearing the deluxe seats from Beauty Eleanor.
    Beauty Eleanor is a factory deluxe-interior car w/the instrumentation group, wearing the standard seats from Wrecked Eleanor. This car, despite the deluxe interior, was ordered with a shortie console (or had the original removed).

    Why were the seats swapped? Who knows. Beauty Eleanor has a pair of aftermarket speakers installed in the interior quarter panels, so I have a hunch that Halicki did not buy these cars new.

    -Kurt
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      RE: Gone in 60 Seconds (1974) - Eleanor detail observations

      I read Eleanor was a 71 that was updated to 73 i also seen a clip with Halicki saying as much on youtube. Attached a link to a wiki that says the same. Very interesting

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eleanor_(automobile)
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        As the film came out in 74, they didn't want the car to look dated, but needed a big block, so used a 71 and made it look like a 73.
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          RE: Gone in 60 Seconds (1974) - Eleanor detail observations

          The '71-with-a-'73 grille is old news (though Mustang Monthly succeeded in screwing this bit of information up - and despite an email to Mr. Farr prior to leaving MM, nobody fixed it), though we still don't know whether it is a 02 Sportsroof or an 05 Mach 1, nor do we know whether it is a '71, or a '72 with the flip-down cap installed.

          Someone from this group should make a beeline for the car the next time that Denise Halicki brings it out for an independent showing of the film. Get the VIN and pull a Marti for once.

          (04-30-2014 12:40 AM)JimNiki Wrote:  As the film came out in 74, they didn't want the car to look dated, but needed a big block, so used a 71 and made it look like a 73.

          Not what I've heard. Halicki's poorly written website claims a 351, to which some people have assumed a 351W, and others a 351C. Seeing that Halicki pulled every last thing off of Wrecked Eleanor to build it, anything is possible:

          [Image: 1305-gone-in-60-seconds-h-b-halicki-stri...tsroof.jpg]

          I wouldn't suspect or suppose anything - short of what is obvious in the film - until I see that VIN.

          -Kurt
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            Gone in 60 Seconds (1974) - Eleanor detail observations

            Even so, one would need the VIN off a frame part. I would not assume that the dash pad is original with all this tearing apart and rebuilding.
            Just like the seats seem to have been swapped they could easily have mismatched the dash pads. I don't think they really cared about which part belonged to which car when they put them together. .
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              (04-30-2014 06:03 AM)luxstang Wrote:  Even so, one would need the VIN off a frame part. I would not assume that the dash pad is original with all this tearing apart and rebuilding.
              Just like the seats seem to have been swapped they could easily have mismatched the dash pads. I don't think they really cared about which part belonged to which car when they put them together. .

              If they had put them together that sloppily, we wouldn't have seen otherwise correct interiors with only the seats swapped.

              Remember, the beauty car really didn't need to be torn apart.

              Speaking of which, does anyone have information whether the beauty Eleanor was sold off in Denise Halicki's auction, or was it kept with the wrecked Eleanor (which is noted in multiple interviews as still in her possession)?

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                RE: Gone in 60 Seconds (1974) - Eleanor detail observations

                I knew Toby somewhat, having met him in '74 at a premier for the movie, and had business dealings with him in the late 80's.
                Straight from the horses mouth: "Eleanor" was in fact 2 separate vehicles. Both used 71's with 351 Clevelands bought used prior to production of the movie. Each was completely dissassembled and rebuilt by him and his body shop employees with his own design full-perimeter roll-cages.
                The suspension was beefed up as much as possible and supplementary leaf-springs were installed in the front on one for anticipated jumps.
                They were both fitted with 73 grilles to make them seem more current as filming started. The paint ciolor used was generic school-bus yellow...not any numbers-correct Ford color

                The jump car was destroyed in the jump and sent to the junk yard. The remaining car was stitched and band-aided together to travel the country and make personal appearances with Halicki (where I met him originally)

                That car has been hastily and cheaply repaired several times over the years just to keep it running.
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                  RE: Gone in 60 Seconds (1974) - Eleanor detail observations

                  [Image: 1305-gone-in-60-seconds-h-b-halicki-stri...tsroof.jpg]


                  Interesting, at first 'glance' I thought he was standing in a Pantera body.
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                    RE: Gone in 60 Seconds (1974) - Eleanor detail observations

                    (04-30-2014 08:37 AM)Kit Sullivan Wrote:  I knew Toby somewhat, having met him in '74 at a premier for the movie, and had business dealings with him in the late 80's.
                    Straight from the horses mouth: "Eleanor" was in fact 2 separate vehicles. Both used 71's with 351 Clevelands bought used prior to production of the movie. Each was completely dissassembled and rebuilt by him and his body shop employees with his own design full-perimeter roll-cages.
                    The suspension was beefed up as much as possible and supplementary leaf-springs were installed in the front on one for anticipated jumps.
                    They were both fitted with 73 grilles to make them seem more current as filming started. The paint ciolor used was generic school-bus yellow...not any numbers-correct Ford color

                    The jump car was destroyed in the jump and sent to the junk yard. The remaining car was stitched and band-aided together to travel the country and make personal appearances with Halicki (where I met him originally)

                    Well, that explains it - though it must have been quite a bit of work to wreck the panels on the other car to match - though I dare say those fenders did get swapped.

                    Mind if I reference this bit of info on the Internet Movie Car Database? It's the first hard evidence to prove that only one Eleanor exists.

                    -Kurt

                    P.S.: All the more reason to go ahead with a Eleanor replica out of that '72 Q-code. Nobody else has ever done it right.
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                      RE: Gone in 60 Seconds (1974) - Eleanor detail observations

                      There might be only one official "Elanor' today, but there were tow used for filming.

                      Toby accidentally hit a telephone pole and mangled the front fender and drivers suspension while exiting the Hollywood freeway during filming. The car was severely damaged and undriveable. The other car was brought in immediately on the spot and beat by hand with various sledgehammers and such to replicate the damage shown on the first car, and filming resumed almost immediately.
                      The first damaged car was used in the drive up to the car wash, and was repaired enough to film the jump. It eventually went to the junk yard.
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